The New Schindler's List


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On the fiftieth anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the Supreme Court refused to hear Florida’s appeal on behalf of Terri Schindler Schiavo. This refusal amounts to a “painless” sentence of death by starvation over a period of seven to fourteen days. The NAZI’s called the disabled they slated for death “useless eaters.”

Catholic Schiavo, whose parents want to assume responsibility for her care, is being exterminated by her husband, who has refused Terri any kind of therapy or even the stimulation of going outdoors. Brain damaged Schiavo is very animated when her mother visits, and attempts to speak to her. Schiavo’s husband refuses speach therapy.

A new, desperate appeal is being made on the grounds of religious conviction, as hinging on fairly recent papal clarifications regarding the sanctity of life. Pray BIG! The life you save may be your own.


Praying over people
#2

i’m shocked too… over two thirds if not three fourths of those judges appointed by conservative right wing administrations with family values backgrounds…:cool:


#3

I’m not shocked at all… a simple perusal of history and politics instead of swallowing Fox News and the Evangelicals White House fed propaganda would have helped to see this coming…keep thinking Roe V Wade is gonna be overturned by this so called “Republican” Court…and President…whom, btw, values “Life” so much that instead of going across the street to the pro life rally the other day, he PHONED it in… the Irony wasnt lost on me…they dont value life and thats that… the sooner people realize they’ve been had the better to regroup.


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[quote=Faithful 2 Rome]I’m not shocked at all… a simple perusal of history and politics instead of swallowing Fox News and the Evangelicals White House fed propaganda would have helped to see this coming…keep thinking Roe V Wade is gonna be overturned by this so called “Republican” Court…and President…whom, btw, values “Life” so much that instead of going across the street to the pro life rally the other day, he PHONED it in… the Irony wasnt lost on me…they dont value life and thats that… the sooner people realize they’ve been had the better to regroup.
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#5

She already died, it’s just the body being kept alive. The brain is gone.

who has refused Terri any kind of therapy or even the stimulation of going outdoors.

She had therapy and treatment for years after the damage and didn’t show signs of change.

Brain damaged Schiavo is very animated when her mother visits, and attempts to speak to her. Schiavo’s husband refuses speach therapy.

Her parents aren’t very reliable witnesses. The court appointed doctors declared Terry to be in a persistent vegetative state.


#6

[quote=Tlaloc]She already died, it’s just the body being kept alive. The brain is gone.

She had therapy and treatment for years after the damage and didn’t show signs of change.

Her parents aren’t very reliable witnesses. The court appointed doctors declared Terry to be in a persistent vegetative state.
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She is alive. She did not have therapy.Her parents want to care for her the courts and her husband need to take a hike:mad:


#7

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]She is alive. She did not have therapy.Her parents want to care for her the courts and her husband need to take a hike:mad:
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really?

"Many forms of rehabilitation were attempted in the first years of Terry’s condition, but she did not respond or recover. It is reported that nearly all of the settlement has now been spent on rehabilitation attempts, and continuing care. Terry is now in a hospice. Several doctors, including those appointed by the courts, have pronounced her to be in a “persistent vegetative state”. However Terry parents have hired doctors that claim that Terry has a consciousness."
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#8

Can anyone provide us with a citation to or report from a physician–recognized as an expert in neurology–who has seen/treated/examined Terry and opined that she is conscious, sentinent, or otherwise cognitively functioning or has some reasonably probability of becoming so after 13 years in this condition?

For those interested, the “source” line provided by Tlaloc above also contains an link to an interesting submission from a Jesuit medical ethicist from St. Joseph’s University (Philly).


#9

Here’s another interesting source on the matter which paints a very different picture of her husband than what you usually read:

rangelmd.com/2003/10/terri-schiavo-case.html


#10

[quote=Tlaloc]Here’s another interesting source on the matter which paints a very different picture of her husband than what you usually read:

rangelmd.com/2003/10/terri-schiavo-case.html
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Try this link
cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200309/CUL20030903b.html


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[quote=Tlaloc]Here’s another interesting source on the matter which paints a very different picture of her husband than what you usually read:

rangelmd.com/2003/10/terri-schiavo-case.html
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The husband would rather see her dead than to have her parents care for her,the picture he paints is self-explainatory.Furthermore,she is being used as a test case for euthanasia:mad:


#12

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]The husband would rather see her dead than to have her parents care for her,

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Well according to him she’d rather be dead than a vegetable. Is that true? Don’t know. He is the guardian though. The judge ruled after the testimony of five doctors that there was no evidence she had any consciousness. Are you sure you aren’t seeing what you want to see Lisa?

the picture he paints is self-explainatory.Furthermore,she is being used as a test case for euthanasia:mad:

Well sort of, we already have a death with dignity law in Oregon.


#13

Is it possible to consider that she has become the icon for two competing agendas and somewhere along the way her best interests are lost in the shuffle? She’s no longer Terry Schiavo the individual patient…she’s become Terrry Schiavo the cause, the test case…etc.


#14

Eveything I have read indiates that she is brain dead, and that if there were not machines, then her heart would not be beating and she would not be breathing or absorbing nutrients today.

I think the use of machines to prolong a person’s vital signs, when they have no chance of regaining consciousness is unethical, and does nothing but keep a soul trapped in a shell. It is one of my worst fears that some time that might happen to me; that I will be clinically dead but the medical establishment and familiy members will require that my soul be trapped by machines for years; thinking that somehow they are doing me a favor by not being able to let me rest in peace.


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[quote=Island Oak]Is it possible to consider that she has become the icon for two competing agendas and somewhere along the way her best interests are lost in the shuffle? She’s no longer Terry Schiavo the individual patient…she’s become Terrry Schiavo the cause, the test case…etc.
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Island Oak, most of your posts I agree with but as far as I am concerned the last sentence of yours hold no water with me.My mother had MS and the DR.'s at the nursing home didn’t treat her for an infection on purpose and when I had a fit because she died they said she was better off and when lawyers were mentioned the medical records disappeared.So as far as I am concerned Terri is my focus and how dare anyone make judgements that her life is not worth living:mad:


#16

[quote=serendipity]Eveything I have read indiates that she is brain dead, and that if there were not machines, then her heart would not be beating and she would not be breathing or absorbing nutrients today.

I think the use of machines to prolong a person’s vital signs, when they have no chance of regaining consciousness is unethical, and does nothing but keep a soul trapped in a shell. It is one of my worst fears that some time that might happen to me; that I will be clinically dead but the medical establishment and familiy members will require that my soul be trapped by machines for years; thinking that somehow they are doing me a favor by not being able to let me rest in peace.
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She is not on a machine she has a feeding tube,that is it.Go to
terrisfight.org
Watch the videos and see if she looks like a vegetable to you.God Bless


#17

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]So as far as I am concerned Terri is my focus and how dare anyone make judgements that her life is not worth living:mad:
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But you are empowered to make the contrary judgement?


#18

[quote=Tlaloc]But you are empowered to make the contrary judgement?
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I believe we were made in the image and likeness of God therefore every life is precious and has an innate dignaty that a court cannot take away.


#19

“Dr. God” R. Rangel writes (with tortured logic):

"Even though there is no technical way to measure or evaluate conscious thought there is the additional evidence of the CAT scan of Terri’s brain that proves that the critical areas of the brain necessary for conscious thought (the cortex) is either gone or severely damaged. This scan is consistent with Terri’s clinical presentation. She has intact reflexes (purposeless movements, breathing, digestion, temperature regulation) that only require the most basic structures of the brain, the brain stem, and the spinal cord to be intact in order to function. Given the evidence of the clinical exam and the head scans and the fact that she has been in this state for over 10 years without any change, the likelihood that Terri has any self awareness or conscious thought to any extent is slim to none.

We don’t know for sure because there is no direct way of measuring this and conservatives and “right-to-life” proponents will cling to this uncertainty as their argument for keeping these patients alive. But this is a closed argument because it cannot be currently proven 100% that there is no “Terri” inside her body despite the large amount of evidence that makes this highly unlikely." --Dr. R. Rangel

No proof. But we have anecdotal evidence. I viewed such evidence: Schiavo lighting up when her mother approached; Schiavo vocalizing. Mr. Schiavo’s lawyer, interviewed by attorney Greta Van Sustern, acted like a cornered weasel when confronted about Mr. Schiavo’s refusal to let Terri Schindler Schiavo get fresh air and sunshine, or receive speech therapy, and could only defend the force of law, not life. “The life you save may be your own.” Don’t let the weasels rule.

Brain function is highly anomalous. A fighter pilot decapitated in an air battle landed his plane on nothing more than brain stem activity. The storied awakenings with L-Dopa would never have occured under the NAZI-esque “useless eaters” policy of Mr. Schiavo.

Consider the successful student with a massive cranium who was coaxed into having his noodle studied. Turns out he was hydrocephalic, no brain, just water. He was getting his degree on brain stem power alone.

A tiny Sicilian nurse with a big heart told me of the many cases of brain death she attended. She always talked and sang to them, always touched them lovingly. Many of her patients awoke, contrary to medical expectations, possibly because of such cogent and loving stimulation she provided, something Terri Schindler Schiavo is denied.

Upon awakening, these legal and medical “vegetables” tearfully thanked her. These cases, some worse than Schiavo’s in needing extensive life support, related to her that they could hear everything! They just couldn’t respond. And they further told of their abject terror in hearing medical personnel sneeringly call them vegetables, suggesting they should be “unplugged.”

Had the loving Irish and Italian parents chronicled in the true story of “Lorenzo’s Oil” let their son’s life be extinguished by neglect, as medically counseled, the curative breakthrough they wrought would never have taken place. That includes reversing, by degrees, their own son’s symptoms. God grant us such heroic love!

The Terri Schindler Schiavo case isn’t about brain activity, it’s about heart activity. Got one? Check yourself for signs. Use your God-given brain to assist your heart. Read “Dr. God’s” own words. Sound it out. Hearing is the last sensory function preserved. “No way to measure conscious thought…”

Those who have ears to hear, listen carefully. There is simply no way to tell. Err on the side of life. That’s your religion, that’s your Constitution, that’s your own enlightened self-interest. Review Dr. Michael Crichton’s feature film “COMA” to get the drift. With the profits of tissue sales from abortion fueling support for killing babies as they are being born, who could withstand the tidal love of money which might build from adult organ sales from legally ordained human vegetables?

Remember, there have never been any disabled groups lobbying for euthanasia or “death with dignity,” the euthanasia euphemism. All the lobbying was started by and continues with lawyers eager to churn estates in lucrative probate processing. If at last you can’t trust your heart or your brain, your Church or your Constitution, trust those who remember the simple history lesson of Auschwitz. God’s blessing on us all.


#20

[quote=Tlaloc]Well according to him she’d rather be dead than a vegetable. Is that true? Don’t know. He is the guardian though. The judge ruled after the testimony of five doctors that there was no evidence she had any consciousness. Are you sure you aren’t seeing what you want to see Lisa?

Well sort of, we already have a death with dignity law in Oregon.
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Her life according to her husband:rolleyes: God deliver us from Guardians who would seek to murder us.Death with dignaty according to who?When sick or disabled people are made to feel less than human because their sick or disabled, shame on us.


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