The Palmarian Catholic Church in Dan Browns new novel


#21

Sounds like a challenge.

Hold my beer. :beer:
(It’ll be a 2nd Class Relic after I become Pope St. Albert the Only)


#22

Yah I’ve heard good reviews of those as well. I’ve only read the five Robert Langdon ones thus far (Angels and Demons, Da Vinci Code, Lost Symbol, Inferno, Origin)but will check those out eventually.
I like how in his books theres always a twist you arent expecting at all. Like you will think you know who the true villain is but it turns out it isnt the group being “vilified” in the end.


#25

Not nearly the amount grief Opus Dei got I’ll wager.


#26

I think good fiction writers can find a whole lot of wonderful material in the Catholic Church with its incredible depths of spirituality and long and involved history.
The trouble is that Dan Brown is really a terrible writer: juvenile stuff; lousy grammar; “pot-boiler” plots.
IMHO


#27

I always found them interesting and full of stuff that at least makes me think. Actually the Da Vinci Code got me interested in the New Testament apocrypha, and turns out it was totally Ill informed.


#28

I felt so bad when all those Cardinals were dying in Angels and Demons.


#29

Dan Brown’s most recent book reads like a movie. SPOILER ALERT!!! But conservative Catholics won’t like it because the main character of the Bishop ends up being the longtime closeted gay lover to the aging overtly religious king.


#30

Do you have something against conservatives? The bishop shouldn’t be having relationships but apparently it was platonic so I don’t know.


#31

Absolutely not. I have several conservative friends. So I know what they like and what they DO NOT like.


#32

Angel’s and Demons is my favorite one.


#34

Yah. That was interesting. I think it was love of course but they never had sinful relations at least the novel doesn’t say so, more so yes the bishop was a homosexual and him and the king did love each other however that in itself is not a sin. If they had relations then it would be. Homosexuals are called to a life of chastity like any single heterosexual is. I didn’t see anything outright wrong with the aspect of the book I actually thought it was kind of a nice twist.


#35

Yah what is up with Opus Dei? Are they as controversial as this Palmarian Catholic Church? Are they a group in communion with the Holy See or do they have some sort of schismatic beliefs? Are they just like an order in the church or something? I heard the novel makes them out to be much worse than they really are with like the whole self mutilation thing I forgot the word for that.


#36

The Opus Dei is a religious order in the Church. I think he fictionalized it so he could make a crazy conspiracy.


#37

Its not actually a “religious order” but its like apostolate is what I think you’d call it- like the Knights of Columbus are. There is some difference in governing it, but there are differences in the way Opus Dei is run as compared to Capuchins or Holy Ghost Fathers or Passionists.


#38

Oh that’s interesting.


#39

The Knights are strictly a lay organization; we have no status as an order, or liturgical rules, or an ordinary.

hawk


#41

I think anyone who can think clearly understood that Brown’s depiction of Opus Dei was inventive fiction at best, slanderous (but still fiction) at worst.
I attended Evenings of Recollection for nearly a year, and would be now if I hadn’t moved so far away from the nearest location. I’ve never met a more solidly Catholic group. Rather regular folk, actually.
At least with the Palmarians, he has more true life drama to work with.


#42

Right. Opus Dei is a Personal Prelature. It has its own prelate and priests. Similar to, (but also different from in many ways), the Anglican Ordinariates. Similar in that both are worldwide and not geographically contained, like a diocese.

I’m surprised old Dan hasn’t written about the Legion of Christ. After scandal and some house cleaning, they’re still very much alive–and also doing good work.


#43

Don’t give him any ideas!

Opus Dei had a number of peculiar qualities that made it a good conspiracy theory subject:

The rush to canonize the founder, despite some controversies.

It is still the only personal prelature if I am not mistaken, which allows all kind of speculation about why that structure was created for them. It means people subject to the prelature are intermixed in dioceses throughout the world without being subjects of the diocese., spies in our midst.

There strict segregation of the sexes led to oddities like a HQ in NYC with separate entrances for men and women.

Then there was the American agent who spied for Russia while under spiritual direction with Opus Dei. If they had had a special ministry to albino monks, you could almost believe Dan Brown.

As far as I kmow, Opis Dei was a relatively innocuous group with associates among the Cardinals and bishops. Very Spanish conservatism, which can seem strange. That just gave it too many elements that fit into conspiracies.


#44

I wonder how the publicity of the Davinci Code affected interest and involvement in Opus Dei in the long run?

The Palmarians should look at what happened to others, so they are prepared.


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