[quote=But for Grace]this is getting intresting.
If the Quran is the word of God, and is recited (his spoken word), then the word must come forth by breath, that is it must be spoken to be heard. Was the word spoken from the beginning?
In hebrew the word for breath is ruach (?sp), *. This is the very same word that means spirit, heace the word is born forth by the spirit. If the word has not been spoken then the word is not known and if there is no breath then the word cannot be spoken.
If the word is not spoken from the beginning then it is a created thing, if it uncreated it must have always existed.
God spoke the Eternal Word which his breath bore forth into the world. All three are eternal (and eternity is a proper aspect of God).
Since all three are eternal, God, His Word, and the Breath by which the Word is spoken then we should say that the Word is part of God (that is it is His Thought made manifest) as well as the Breath (this is the active aspect of speaking). They cannot be seperated yet each is understood seperate from the other.
This is why we speak of the Father (God), the Son (Word), and the Spirit (Breath)*
At least in regards to the Bible, the Bible is “God’s Word” only by analogy - the same is presumably true of the Koran
The Koran is not God - it is “other than” God. Since the concept of creation from eternity is not self-contradictory, there can, in principle, be entities which are eternal and are created. So an eternal Koran which does not violate shirk is not a contradiction in terms - for it is not being “associated” with God if it is said to be eternal. It could perfectly well be an eternal Idea in the mind of God, and so, be eternal in the same way the decree of election & predestination is eternal
It would be interesting to know where Muslim theologians, beginning with Muhammad & his companions, got their ideas from. I’m guessing there is some Neo-Platonist influence - not least because some of what is “typically” Muslim is inherited from the Syrian Christianity of Muhammad’s day.
Christians are the real Muslims, for we are the one who are “submissive” (at least in theory) to Jesus Christ ##