=Lost Wanderer;12137513]I’ve seen so many debates here regarding homosexuality but I often have trouble seeing this particular sub-topic being discussed.
I suppose I’ve avoiding discussing because it can turn into a platform for people to pretend to be a victim.
That’s the thing to do today and will get one all kinds of sniveling sympathy. :rolleyes:
But before I go on, here’s a disclaimer: I don’t care for the GLBT agenda. To half the gays I know, I’m a friend but the kind of friend that’s never without a Fred Sanford-style remark.
You’re going to get told at some point there is no agenda. It’s neat little strategy to get us to relax while they go to work attacking marriage.
What I don’t get is so why are so many Christians crying about the GLBT agenda winning so many hearts and sympathies? I just don’t get it. You’re talking about a minority that really has been bullied, harassed, and marginalized by religious authorities.
By religious authorities? I don’t consider regulating marriage for the benefit of children and the state to be “bullied, harassed and marginalized.”
Also, I don’t consider Fred Phelps to be a religious authority.
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Now I hear Christians whining about them playing the victim card. Well Mr. Fred Phelps, who do you think gave them that card in the first place? :shrug:
Well, understand that it’s to be a victim. Those straight, able-bodied white men who feel faux guilt can’t become another race or a woman, so being GLBTQ is the next best thing whether it’s real or not. It enables them to claim victim-hood, exonerate themselves from their ancestors crimes and to claim they are in the same boat as oppressed persons. :rolleyes:
These days, being GLBTQ is and pretty easy in most cases.
I cannot even begin to tell you how people have stretched the truth on claiming to be bisexual just for attention to show off a myspace page— or how they are going to “go gay” because they are sobering “nice guys” who can’t get a girl.
Don’t you think it’s intellectually dishonest for Catholics to engage in a culture war with the GLBT movement and ignore just how much of its anger came from religious mistreatment?
If that’s the case (if this is really about principle) where’s all the anger towards Islam? In Muslim countries, GLBTQ persosn may be executed.
In fact, a lot of the same mouths that bash Christianity over various social issue stances are the same ones who are fine with Muslim women having their own special pool & gym hours so no Western men see them in their bikinis and make cat calls at them.
It’s from the same cloth as those who whine about the African slave trade. The African slave trade still exists and is run by African and Arab nations. Why are they getting a free pass?
Don’t any of you even consider the idea that the whole movement was a backlash waiting to happen?
I suppose there is some “backlash”, but real Christianity would be about outreach and trying to include everyone. For it’s worth, at least the awareness of that is being known.
But make no mistake----the reason why this is being pushed (like oh so many other progressive causes) is for SELFISH reasons, not justice.
The** gay “marriage” movement stems from the entitlement, easy-way-out mentality**.
It’s pretty clear to me a lot of people support homosexual behavior because they have a gay family member, friend, or want to have good feelings running up and down his/her spine making eye contact with someone who is different on the street. :rolleyes:
There are always idealists, but really this is not just some kind of true quest for justice. It’s also a front to get liberal politicians in the West votes, just like all these ethnic or gender based organizations.
Their motives and agenda are plainly revealed when they viciously attack minority conservatives.
How could anyone act like this wasn’t coming?
That’s the impression that I first got. But when I started looking into the matter, Gallup was even tracking support for so-called gay “marriage” since the 1970s? I think Reagen was asked about it, and the 1984 DNC was held in SF for HIV awareness amidst gay issues?
A lot of these proposed marriage amendments should have come 30-40 years ago, and it just goes to show how traditional-minded folks are a step behind the activists.
And look, I know a lot of these folks were busy raising families and working, but really, if one has time to watch prime-time TV that now goes one’s better values and the NFL on Sunday, I think there’s time to pitch in on this a bit.
Frankly, the Church probably should have seen it coming, it’s part of their job as far as I’m concerned, but when kids sit around making posters of “Yes, Jesus Loves Me” instead of learning the nuts and bolts of the Faith and where people are too scared to talk about sex, well, there are consequences.