Thank you. I will check these out
She had a defining part to play in my entering the Church, so yes, I believe she was involved in my urge to research Marian teachings.
What a wonderful. realisation! Thank you for sharing this. One could say Our Lady goes to fetch us as Mary did when Jesus went missing (although He had good reason).
The SoS was about King Solomon’s taking a bride. So, the book is about the union of God (King) with his people (Israel). Interpretation of SoS is not limited to that for us as Christians, of course.
No, of course, and it could be attributed to various wise truths, making up the one Truth. I would say though that Christ being in the OT, and being the completion of the Scriptures, could indicate that this is the wisdom behind the SofS. Because as Christians we understand that we are ‘spiritual Israel’. And as Christ was born of the Virgin we too are reborn as spiritual Israel in closer union with Christ through the Virgin Mary as our Mother. There is no closer union except for the mystery that is the Holy Trinity, closer than Jesus Christ in the womb of Mary. To enter into deep relationship with God is to be reborn from Mary’s womb. I think either mystical interpretation leads to the same Truth. What do you think?
No doubt Mary and Joseph taught Jesus as a child–both were holy people. I couldn’t say that Jesus learned submissiveness to God’s will because Mary was his teacher, though. I think that’s saying too much. Certainly she was that example, but he, being divine and one with his Father all through his life, needed no one to teach him anything. Mary and Joseph gave him the proper education for a Jewish boy and were faithful to the Law. Mary was no doubt more united to her Son than Joseph due to who he was and how he had been conceived–through her cooperative fiat with God’s will. Mary can be and is venerated for her many virtues, and a host of other proper things, but instructing Jesus in how to be in union with God’s will would not have been one of them.
-Sorry Della, this is why I wrote: 'Our Lady, it can be deduced, would have known the OT from her having taken Jesus to all the necessary rituals that were Jewish customs to show obedience to her heritage. So it would also make sense that Mary herself taught Jesus as a boy much of what He knows - not His own mission from His father, but the OT knowledge. Maybe it was after her teaching Him that He realized Himself in the OT?!
I do not think and didn’t say that Jesus discovered His Will from Our Lady. What I meant was that ‘as a consequence’ of Our Lady’s teaching of the OT and Mothering, Jesus Himself would have discovered from Scripture (in the Holy Spirit), Himself, in there. He would have seen Himself as the Word of His own Father’s Will. But Our Lady would have taught Him scriptural knowledge unless of course He knew this already and it all was imprinted in his head but I don’t think so because He was human and divine.
The other point concerning Mary’s ‘fiat’ is that the willingness to submit is a supernatural link with Christ - her son to be. Point I was making was that the bond, even on earth, was unbreakable, from the time of her conception and her conclusive ‘fiat’. So there would be characteristics in Mother that would be found in the Son. And so would help exegesis when studying Mary’s role in our lives and possibly point towards scriptural passages. Maybe this is the wrong way around?
s to the number 3, in Mid-Eastern cultures stating something 3 times showed that one truly meant what one said. This is probably why the Gospel writer had Jesus declaring his sumission to God’s will 3 times. Of course, there is a mystical meaning behind the number 3 since God is a Trinity of Persons with one nature. I don’t know if the Gospel writer had this consciously in mind, but it’s possible.
May I suggest we start with something concrete, with a passage from Scripture: “Let what you have said be done unto me.” How does this configure with Christ’s submission?
As far as the teacher side of things goes, I think we can safely say that to be Mother is to teach in some way anyway, so for now, is a kind of pointless discussion. Sorry for that!