"The Sexual Barbarians and the Dissolution of Culture" (an account)

As this article maintains, the Church and Western culture face a dire crisis from new barbarians, new pagans in the West, who are destroying the fabric of civilization, who believe unchaste sex an honorable occupation and chastity a false or unattainable virtue. The Church, the last bulwark against this, this article maintains, must reintroduce the value of chastity and the Gospel of life into society,
see www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=47566

I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, it won’t happen as long as Catholic priests, bishops and the laity are more concerned about “hurting people’s feelings” then helping souls get to heaven.

We must pray harder then ever for our Lord to have mercy on us all and restore his One, Holy, Catholic Church… That’s the only thing that can save this culture.

I second your point as well. You can even see this on CAF. When questions come up that involve morality, one sees all kinds of thoughts but few are willing to draw the line in the sand. I think people are too afraid of being “judgemental” or hypocrites because they themselves have morally sinned. This is bogus thinking and holds people back from truth.

Me thinks this is a poor article. It strikes me as judgmental and self-righteous, “us versus them,” the holier than thou attitude, the very recipe that makes humans into angels, when we really are humans. It is more about making oneself feel good, than about consoling; it is more about ramming down our beliefs, than about understanding; it is more about pride than about loving. Ayayyyayay!!! God help us!

Both the artical and your attitude are completely wrong. The so-called “sexual barbarians” have always been present in Western Society. The only difference between today and days gone by is that people today in Europe and North America are much more open about their sexual habits than they were in the past.
The best example I can give you is that prior to women getting the vote in the USA, there was hardly a town of any size that did not have a brothel! This situation lasted until women got enough political influence to force the authorities to enforce anti-prostitution laws.
Homosexual men were “in the closet” for the public at large. But, there was not a city of any size in the US that did not have at least one “gay bar”. At the same time there were many prominant gay men in the show business community - they just kept their sexuality from the public. The classic example of this was Rock Hudson. His homosexuality was an open secret in show business circles, but it did not become public until he came down with AIDS and he was forced to publicly admit he was gay.
A short time ago, someone defended Franco, the Spanish dictator in another thread on this site, stating that he kept morals in Spain high due to his support of the Church and outlawing abortion and homosexuality.
Well, this person knew nothing of Franco’s Spain and was totally wrong about social conditions in Spain of that era. Prostitution was far more rampant than it is today, largely due to the horrible poverty that existed. If for any reason, a woman did not have a family to support her in the home, there were no jobs for them. There were no female secretaries of clerks in business or government offices, and the only store clerks were members of the owners or managers families. And, there was no such thing as public welfare. The church helped the poverty stricken, but only for families and orphans. There was nothing for women So, prostitution was their only way to keep from starving.
As for abortion, it was common. If you had enough money, you always could find an accomodating doctor, or if you had less money, a midwife. Prosecutions of abortionists was very rare.
As for gays, like in the US they were in the closet, only more so because of the machismo of the Spanish men… However there was at least one gay bar in most large Spanish cities.
As for other European countries, they were much more open about sexuality than anywhere in North America. Prostitution may have not been legal in France or Belgium, but it was tolerated, and every city had its quasi-open gay community. The difference between Europe and N. America, is that the Europeans did not broadcast their sexuality as much. But it was there all the same.
The point of all of this is that I do not think people are having any more or less illicit sex today than they were having 50 years ago. They are just more open about it; and, by being open about it, they feel less guilty about it.
Granted it is still sinful behavior, the people just do not think of it as being sinful. Even the Catholic Clergy have been affected by the change in public morality. When was the last time that you heard a Catholic Priest give a “fire and brimstone” sermon about sexual morality or the need for chastity?
I remember such sermons in a Jesuit Parish when I was a kid in the late 1940’s! Those possibly were the last of their kind.

I skimmed it. Seems dead on accurate.

Open? What is private must remain private, especially regarding sex. No more open scandals. No more porn. And no more thinking God does not have the power to change things.

This didn’t happen overnight. Being open about sexual sins solves nothing. It promotes wrong ways of living.

Peace,
Ed

What is the basis for “What is private must remain private.”? Where good deeds and piety is concerned, yes, there is rather clear directive to guard against pride and hypocrisy by keeping such things private. [However, it doesn’t mean that all good deeds must be hidden. I understand this biblical injunction (Matthew 6:5ff) to refer to counseling against “the-Pharisee-in-us.”]
Sin is often cited as being done in the dark. Hidden away.
No, let there be light!

[Get to think of it, transparency is quite a good old virtue.]

It’d probably help if you didn’t call them (possibly ‘us’, given my rather laissez-faire attitude to such acts, though I’m certainly not promoting them) ‘pagans’ or ‘barbarians’. It has, for lack of a better term, a sort of ‘burn the heathens’ tone to it, and considering Christianity is often criticised for being either intolerant or old-fashioned, it’s a very poor choice of words.

You are absolutely correct. I am currently reading the Ken Burns book Jazz; A History of America’s Music and what has struck me the most was that in every city in America there was rampant crime, corruption, prostitution and substance abuse presided over by the very people who were supposed to guard over society. In Kansas City, the mayor was a devoted family man, a Catholic and went to Mass every morning. After Mass he presided over the most corrupt city in America, making money from gambling, prostitution and narcotics. Google “Storyville” in New Orleans. It was an area of the city just north of the French Quarter where prostitution and “seedy” living were wide open (it just so happens that many of early figures of jazz music played there, least of which was Louis Armstrong who, incidentally, smoked pot every day of his life). This was true in every major city.

There is no such thing as the good old days.

That last comment has no basis in fact.

Peace,
Ed

Then, please, point to a time and a place in American history that can be considered the good old days.

You, obviously do not know your history and want to argue via a fallicious emotional base.

Are you denying there are times through out history where the culture has been closer or farther from the moral norm? Certainly there have been times when the civil law was less contradictory towards the moral law than today.

Look at TV and the movies in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and compare it to today. Look at social norms from the same time period. Today is better?

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I lived through all the lies. I saw the wrong law unfold, not by the desire of the people, that has led to the murder of millions.

Peace,
Ed

So are you saying that the 70s, 80s, and 90s were a golden age compared to today? Are you also saying that we had a golden age before the Roe v Wade decision in 1973? I don’t understand your point.

I am denying that there was ever a time when a “golden age” existed throughout the land, where everyone did the right thing and no one ever had to be told “don’t do that.” A study of social history throughout the centuries will reveal that this just wasn’t the case. Has the civil law been less contradictory towards the moral law than today? Perhaps, but it doesn’t wash away the fact that people have always done bad things. Did black Americans, from the arrival of the first slave ship in the 17th century until the civil rights bill in 1965, ever experience a golden age in America?

While the phrase “sexual barbarians,” is the headline, the article really just recounts much of what is already known about the results of the sexual revolution. It argues in a more general way what Mary Eberstadt demonstrates in a statistical way in her book “Adam and Eve After the Pill.”

Page two of the article is mainly about the virtue of chastity, with a number of catechetical references. It’s not all that outrageous; it seems rather to be pointing out what is already in our faces.

I certainly don’t say that there has been a golden age of general moral perfection in Western society. But I do know from personal experience that there was a time when abortion on demand was not the norm, where pre-marital sex was the exception rather than the norm, when condoms were not handed out to schoolchildren and teenage girls could not obtain abortions without parents knowing about it.

There was a time when pornography was not routinely available in any child’s bedroom, when television sit-com’s did not use sexual innuendos as routine one-liners. There was a time when divorce was the exceptional case, a time when oral sex was not common in middle schools.

Exactly why a top-down government, even one friendly to the Church, won’t work.

There is always sin, but there certainly are times where society has been less sinful than others.

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