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#1

The Universal Catechism says....that Masturbation is a sin against the 6th commandment and

Offenses against chastity

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

There are those that want some information on Masturbation....I have posted this observation.

You believe that sitting in a rocking chair looking back at your years of masturbation you would believe that you were less sinful

than

sitting in a rocking chair looking back at your years of fornication for reasons you describe.

Look at it this way, anyone looking back at their years of masturbation sitting in a rocking chair should realize that they have poor self image, inability to relate to other people, are selfish, are immature, are devious, are secretive and live double lives

as opposed to

Fornicators, who while sinning, have the ability to relate to other people and share their sin in public by sinning with the other people, appear to be less devious, have a dysfunctional but better structured self image, are somewhat selfish, may be immature and less secretive and may lead double lives.

So while you sit and imagine all the times you masturbate, think of how devious it is, secretive it is, and the grin on your face is not seen by the world, and you cannot share any of that supposed joy....maybe it ain't so bad afterall?

Orthodox, Calvinists, Baptists, Anglicans, and all others....is Maturbation a sin and if why or why not?

Motivation for this thread was spawned by posting #17

Re: Why I believe Masturbation is NOT worse than Fornication :shrug:

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=10181938#post10181938


#2

Ask this question: where does masturbation stem from? It stems from lust, and is seeking to gratify our selfish sexual desires. This is clearly a sin, both in deed and thought, as seen in scripture:

"...you shall not covet your neighbor's wife...or his female servant..." [Exo 20:17; Deu 5:21]

"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." [Matthew 5:28]

So yes, masturbation is a sin, not solely because of the mere act itself, but because of the lustful intentions stemming from it. People don't just randomly start masturbating, they have a sexual desire and need to satisfy it. Of course, almost everyone suffers from such desires (myself included), but as Christians we are to constantly combat it.

Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. [Colossians 3:5]


#3

Not only is a sin, but as I understand it, it degrades and restructures the reward centers of your brain - especially if combined with porn.


#4

I don’t see the point of this thread. The OP (a Catholic) clearly states the Catholic position, then asks opinions of non-Catholics.

Why?


#5

[quote="Windmill, post:4, topic:309811"]
I don't see the point of this thread. The OP (a Catholic) clearly states the Catholic position, then asks opinions of non-Catholics.

Why?

[/quote]

Not to presume, but I would think it for reasons of discussion. It's a touchy subject (pun intended) so the issue sometimes get's ignored even though it probably is of significance in the lives of many people.

....

To the OP, the only thing that gives me pause in thinking that the fornicator is less sinful than the masterbator, is that the fornicator could be leading others to sin.


#6

[quote="Windmill, post:4, topic:309811"]
I don't see the point of this thread. The OP (a Catholic) clearly states the Catholic position, then asks opinions of non-Catholics.

Why?

[/quote]

Windmill,

Why is the question that is answered by "what motivates you" and I supplied that in the OP...if you don't see the point, then do not participate.

Motivation for this thread was spawned by posting #17

Re: Why I believe Masturbation is NOT worse than Fornication

forums.catholic.com/showthrea...8#post10181938


#7

[quote="benjohnson, post:5, topic:309811"]
Not to presume, but I would think it for reasons of discussion. It's a touchy subject (pun intended) so the issue sometimes get's ignored even though it probably is of significance in the lives of many people.

....

To the OP, the only thing that gives me pause in thinking that the fornicator is less sinful than the masterbator, is that the fornicator could be leading others to sin.

[/quote]

Ben,

You would have to read the logic of the OP of the other posting that motivated this thread. I understand...and my answer is

sin is sin

Arsenic an Cyanide cause death however one quicker than another.


#8

[quote="Windmill, post:4, topic:309811"]
I don't see the point of this thread. The OP (a Catholic) clearly states the Catholic position, then asks opinions of non-Catholics.

Why?

[/quote]

In the OP of this thread, he asked:

[quote="CopticChristian, post:1, topic:309811"]
Orthodox, Calvinists, Baptists, Anglicans, and all others....is Maturbation a sin and if why or why not?

[/quote]

He's asking non-Catholics their opinion or the statement of their churches, and is doing so in the Non-Catholic section of the forum. It's legit.


#9

[quote="Byzantine_Wolf, post:2, topic:309811"]
Ask this question: where does masturbation stem from? It stems from lust, and is seeking to gratify our selfish sexual desires. This is clearly a sin, both in deed and thought, as seen in scripture:

"...you shall not covet your neighbor's wife...or his female servant..." [Exo 20:17; Deu 5:21]

"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." [Matthew 5:28]

So yes, masturbation is a sin, not solely because of the mere act itself, but because of the lustful intentions stemming from it. People don't just randomly start masturbating, they have a sexual desire and need to satisfy it. Of course, almost everyone suffers from such desires (myself included), but as Christians we are to constantly combat it.

Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. [Colossians 3:5]

[/quote]

Wolf,

This is insightful. Lust and the intentions do relate and would correlate. Good point.:thumbsup:


#10

[quote="benjohnson, post:3, topic:309811"]
Not only is a sin, but as I understand it, it degrades and restructures the reward centers of your brain - especially if combined with porn.

[/quote]

Ben,

Then the possibility exists that the act in and of itself may be combined with other sin and the restructuring of your reward center is counter to Metanoia, repent or do not be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind.:)


#11

[quote="CopticChristian, post:1, topic:309811"]
The Universal Catechism says....that Masturbation is a sin against the 6th commandment and

There are those that want some information on Masturbation....I have posted this observation.

Orthodox, Calvinists, Baptists, Anglicans, and all others....is Maturbation a sin and if why or why not?

Motivation for this thread was spawned by posting #17

Re: Why I believe Masturbation is NOT worse than Fornication :shrug:

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=10181938#post10181938

[/quote]

Masturbation is a sin because it is intertwined with lust. During the act of masturbation, you are committing fornication in your heart, which Christ makes clear in Scripture is no different than committing the physical act of fornication. Both the physical act of fornication and the mental act of fornication is sin.


#12

[quote="ltwin, post:11, topic:309811"]
Masturbation is a sin because it is intertwined with lust. During the act of masturbation, you are committing fornication in your heart, which Christ makes clear in Scripture is no different than committing the physical act of fornication. Both the physical act of fornication and the mental act of fornication is sin.

[/quote]

Itwin,

Another good point. Lust and fornication of the heart. I used to have difficulty when the notion of "heart" was used and lately I realized that this stems from OT thinking of how we are affected by things...we speak of the mind, whatever that is...but to feel something in your bones, or to know you desecrate your loins and to know in your heart....Wow...to the depths of your very being....Fornication of the Heart....pretty deep stuff....another good point.:thumbsup:


#13

I highly recommend this article :

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#14

[quote="Windmill, post:13, topic:309811"]
I highly recommend this article :

salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo13/13hilton.php

[/quote]

Windmill,

Interesting and suggestive with one poignant error...

Secular philosophy will not heal them either, and the government can’t save them. Step 2 of the Twelve-Step program for sex addicts says that those healed “came to believe that a Power greater than [themselves] could restore [them] to sanity.” Interestingly, peer-reviewed studies support the success of Twelve-Step programs, which are based on the aid of a Higher Power. /QUOTE]

The 12 step/Religion/AA and all the other 12 step programs have no better than a 5% success rate for addiction and there are modalities that work better. There is no published data that shows better than this.


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