This is driving me insane ( Yes... A Miley Cyrus post)

Everyone is acting like Miley Cyrus made up the whole act herself and chose to do it on her own power. There is no way this can be true.

Remember Britney Spears? Everyone knew she didn’t write songs, choose outfits, make up dances, decide her public image, or generally have any input into her star character. She had been groomed from a young age by Disney and parents who sold her out to perform and do what she was told in order to sell records and merchandise. When people listened to her stuff they knew they were being sold a brand, and not real art, and they bought it for that reason.

Miley Cyrus is the same. I am not saying she is totally innocent, but people are trashing her like crazy and completely ignoring the machine behind her. She has been brainwashed since she was a kid to do whatever they tell her and she knows no other life. I would be willing to bet she had very little say in almost any of that little stunt. And her “people” surely convinced her it would be a great idea, and led her astray.

I know plenty of powerful people get industry celebs addicted to things on purpose. Hollywood and the music industry are really, really seedy in a lot of ways and the underbelly is just glorified prostitution/ pornography.
(People in the industry, pls don’t take offense. I know there are good people in it and some great art and talent. I just am often surprised by the naïveté of a lot of Americans about how dark the dark side of it really is.)

Again, she could have said no but she is still an industry victim / pawn. Lady Gaga, Madonna; they are different. They do more of their own art and purposely choose stuff to get attention and have more say in their image.

These Disney star manufactured people? Not so much. And look what happened to Britney Spears when she got to the average age that people have their childhood trauma come up (mental breakdown.). Probably realizing to some extent what happened to her.

I can’t imagine it would be easy to break the lifestyle.

I am not letting Miley off the hook because she showed a severe lack of integrity in consenting to do this act, but let’s not act like she originated the idea. And I doubt her will had full consent given how she has been trained for years.

The reason it makes me mad is because Catholics are trying to help young girls by pointing out how bad Miley was. But she is in many ways not unlike a trafficked woman. Not completely, but in many ways. Would you trash a trafficking victim and talk about how irresponsible she is for leading men astray and say she obviously just wants attention etc etc if you knew perfectly well about the behind the scenes from pimps and the organization controlling her; knowing how they pushed her into the life with little choice on her part? Of course not. Well the pressure this girl has been under since childhood is similar, if more subtle.

I am not saying this bc I feel so bad for Miley Cyrus (though I do, and for other industry pawns, and I pray for them) but because people say they want to help women be virtuous because they care about women, but then go ahead and attack the woman in this situation with no blame for those who victimized her. To me when I heard about the VMAs, I instantly assumed it was the people controlling her who did this; even if she had some say or felt like she was choosing it I just saw her as like a wind up doll they had manipulated for years. So at this point even if she chose some of it, it is very different from really choosing, like of she had just started her career and had a normal background before that.

It is not solely “society” that is to blame but also the industry, and specifically her personal machine of “people” that manufacture an image to which she must conform in order to get publicity and lead kids astray. Being raised in that I imagine must be not unlike being raised in a cult. People need to know this.

If I had kids I would tell them to not even think about imitating her, but I would explain the industry and that the world has a very dark side. I would explain about her victimization and that this stunt was probably a forced manipulation on their end and some sort of cry for help on Cyrus’s end. I would warn them about wolves in sheep’s clothing who in the world who promise great things but are really tempting you just like the devil tried to tempt Jesus. I would ask them what good is it to gain the whole world and lose your soul.

But I would also remind them not to become snarky and nasty to someone who clearly was victimized. I would remind them to bear in mind that she did not grow up with a great catholic upbringing and throw it away; no, she has never know another way of life. I would remind them that Jesus was compassionate to the woman caught in adultery. If they ever see this behavior I would expect them to chastise it but not to solely blame the most public perpetrator. If I ever met Miley Cyrus I would hope to get through to her by waking her up to how she has been treated and exploited her whole life. I can’t imagine trashing her or implying she is nothing but a nasty slut would incline her to listen to me or to get out of the industry. Probably it would only drive her further into it. I am going to pray for all those star kids. A lot of them didn’t stand a chance.

Do you feel better now that you’ve got that off your chest? :stuck_out_tongue: :wink: :smiley:

I think you’re largely right. The system in place is broken. The only way for someone under 18 to “make it big” is to project a squeaky clean image. But then these child stars have people whispering in their ear that the only way to successfully transition to being an adult star when they hit 18 is to completely renounce that previous clean image. It’s no accident that so many have followed the same path.

The person on stage is the one who naturally attracts the most attention and they make their own choices. But I’ve no doubt there are plenty of people behind the scenes that bear as much if not more responsibility.

Luckily, I’m not God, so it’s not up to me to parse it out and assign blame. I’m sure the environment she grew up in and the people around her have made it more difficult to see what the good choice is. So we pray for those who are so completelly surrounded by people who drown out the voice of the Lord.

There but for the grace of God go I. I’m not sure I would fare any better in the same circumstances. But there’s only so far back we can pass the buck. Those whispering in her ear may have likewise been raised in poor circumstances which led to a malformation of conscience. And those responsible for the upbringing of those people may have similarly had rough childhoods. And on and on back to Adam and Eve. Ultimately, there comes a point where we have to take responsibility for our own actions.

I don’t think it’s right to vilify these people, but I also don’t think we need to paint them solely as victims either. Both of those are judgment calls I’m not in possession of adequate knowledge to make. Really, when I hear stories like this, it makes me sad for them far more than it makes me angry at them. They need prayers.

Pray…for all the Miley’s in this world, May God’s Holy Spirit lead them to repentance and conversion. In Jesus’ Holy Precious Name I pray thru Mary:

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.

“Does Anybody Hear Her” by Casting Crowns:
youtube.com/watch?v=j8sbCuIGDN8

Miley is NO longer associated with Disney or “Hannah Montana”…she’s over 18 and I think part of the blame lies in who put her INTO the music industry…and that **wasn’t **Disney…it was Dad who pitched the idea for the TV show that launched the “Hannah Montana” craze. Dad who was a former country star with a one hit wonder (well, he may have had a few other songs, but he’ll always be known for “Achy Breaky Heart”.

Though Disney is going too far in possibly (if enough people complain, maybe they’ll ax that lesbian parents episode of Good Luck Charlie) with one of their shows…they aren’t responsible for Miley’s actions at the VMAs. I believe SHE is responsible for her actions at the VMAs.

Not all Disney stars have gone off the deep end or ended up with this sort of issue - we need stars more like Frankie and Annette…With natural talent…that don’t get shows thinly disguised as ads for albums or music careers.

The problem is that Disney with almost EVERY new tv show, they keep molding the teen girls into music stars…,.Bridgit Mendler, Demi Levato, etc

Pray for her - she obviously has gone way into the secular, oversexed society. If she had been from a **normal **family,. no one would have heard of Miley.

Miley has parents and a free will. There were failures on both counts.

I don’t particularly care about her act or the VMAs, but I do think it’s a shame that a young talented performer would choose to just phone it in and cash in on sex appeal. It just seems lazy to me. “If I get naked, people will like the show no matter the content or quality of performance.”

That being said I bet it is hard bursting into adulthood under the public’s eye. She has been what marketers and network execs want her to be for years. I don’t blame her for trying to break the molds around her. I’ve never had a crisis of identity so I can’t blame her.

The first post has a lot of “I’m not saying… s” and “But, s” which shows the poster knows his position is on shaky ground.

Miley Cyrus is nearly 21, born Nov 23, 1992, and is old enough to know what she’s doing.
It’s not like she’s simple minded and easily brainwashed. She has to have a lot of intelligence to do what she’s done so far. You can’t make kids do stuff like they’re puppets. They have to have the talent.

Naughty naughty, Miley! :tsktsk:

Huh?

Everyone can blame someone else for their own mistakes and problems but at the end of the day it is our own fault. Miley Cyrus made her own choices and it is her own fault. She put the clothes on. She walked out there. And she put the big finger between her legs.no one did it for her.

I don’t have a PhD in Miley Cyrus’ life and I am not trying to win an argument. The general point I want to make is the vast difference between a girl her age raised in a normal background with decent values doing what she did, vs someone born into what she was born into. Having spoken to trafficking victims at a job I learned about cycles that are hard to break. Brainwashing and trauma have a lot stronger effect than a lot of people realize. Her situation wasn’t as bad but I would still argue all child stars are brainwashed and traumatized to some extent by their situation. I am not letting her off the hook just noting the background she came from. I guess it doesn’t matter because the people who want to judge someone born into an immoral culture by the same standard as someone born into the church and well-catechized are still going to judge, and the people who get what I’m saying already get it anyway.

Of course she should repent and go to confession and what she did was a big deal and not okay. I just think ignoring how she got there is not really fair or constructive.

Yes :smiley: but I am really over sensitive to criticism so now I’m regretting it :smiley:

I think you’re largely right. The system in place is broken. The only way for someone under 18 to “make it big” is to project a squeaky clean image. But then these child stars have people whispering in their ear that the only way to successfully transition to being an adult star when they hit 18 is to completely renounce that previous clean image. It’s no accident that so many have followed the same path.

The person on stage is the one who naturally attracts the most attention and they make their own choices. But I’ve no doubt there are plenty of people behind the scenes that bear as much if not more responsibility.

Luckily, I’m not God, so it’s not up to me to parse it out and assign blame. I’m sure the environment she grew up in and the people around her have made it more difficult to see what the good choice is. So we pray for those who are so completelly surrounded by people who drown out the voice of the Lord.

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Pretty much what I meant but better said.

Link on an interview with Miley and her faith. Oh and she was raised with decent values, so it really comes down to free will and the choices we make regardless of what type of socio-economic background we are born into:

parade.com/celebrity/2010/03/miley-cyrus.html

It would seem thought that her actions and what she believes presumes on God’s mercy and forgiveness.

She was baptized in the Baptist Church and therefore I assume she believes in “once saved always saved” so it doesn’t matter what she does - SHE HAS BEEN SAVED!

But, this sounds like contradiction to me. Our outward gestures and actions are an indication of our inward hearts towards our relationship with God.

The second link is an interview with her father about her latest performance and he verbalizes what God her Heavenly Father also thinks about her…“She is my daughter and I still love her.” Sounds a bit like the Prodigal Son story.

What they fail to realize is that God is Holy and can’t be near any sin so her sinful behavior acts like a barrier between her and God and actually separates them. Unless of course she repents and who are we to assume she has or hasn’t? Just say a prayer she does as she is a role model for our younger generation. Lord have mercy on us!

Romans 2:4-6
Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God would lead you to repentance
By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God,
who will repay everyone according to his works

wonderwall.msn.com/music/billy-ray-cyrus-breaks-silence-on-miley-cyrus-at-vmas-shes-still-my-little-girl-1769159.story

So what is it that she has done? I’m hesitant about googling this incident. :blush:

Don’t bother googling - if you’ve seen one provocative dance you’ve seen them all! :eek::blush:

I refrained from seeking out the video, too. No need for me to see that. But I’ve gathered she did some sketchy dancing at the recent Video Music Awards program.

Our actions reflect our hearts always ? So I guess the Pharisees were perfect because their outward actions showed piety ? Hmmmm…

Look you can show me all you want about her going to church as a kid. That won’t make me change my mind about the effect being raised in Disney can have. The reason this got to me is because of my own direct personal experience with people who were groomed for certain lifestyles; esp.talking to abuse/trafficking victims; even people who grew up going to church. I just happen to know about the effects of this kind of influence on people’s adult actions and simply want to reiterate the general principle that being raised or groomed to be corrupt in any way, whether extremely like w blatant abuse, or just the unnatural exploitive life of a child star (who knows if she was abused or not but there are plenty of creepy ppl in the industry as former child stars have reported), and then caught up in the industry for one’s formative years can make it significantly harder to make good choices, break the cycle, etc. You have to admit a lot of child stars have issues.

And when I meant decent background I meant like, living in a rural area with orthodox Catholic parents who didn’t just believe the Gospel but lived it. And specifically not exposing or immersing the child in the entertainment industry. Not parents who take someone to church but spend more time parading them on camera. We can speculate and quote till the cows come home but I am not pulling this out of thin air; I recognize someone who has been badly influenced and who is not fully aware of the gravity of her actions. I have worked with enough survivors … I hold her accountable, but simply not as accountable as some people are acting, because I think putting all the vitriol and blame on the most public person who is most likely a victim in part will not further the cause of giving her hope for a different way.

For the record I’m not a Miley Cyrus fan, I don’t really consider her thing anything but a brand or her music to be real music, and I don’t listen to it. I wish she and most of these Hollywood “role models” would quit their careers, repent and use any talent they may have for God. So on that we agree.

Personally it grossed me out. It was just plain nasty and it was a ****** song to boot.

Mmmm, sounds like great entertainment. :frowning:

OP, I have always wondered about the same thing. These kids are exploited and they play a role when on stage, and this starts when they are really young. I can’t imagine a child developing in a healthy way in such circumstances. We can only guess how accountable Miley is for her actions, and how much of a choice she has had, if entertainment industry is all she has ever known. The whole thing is just sad really.

Perhaps a corner of her heart was screaming no but $$$$$$$$$ prevailed.
At least my children had zero interest in this genre of music.

Personally out side of the “The Climb” I cannot name a song of hers. So I guess to maintain her multi-million dollar income this young lady has to resort to this.

A young and fairly liberal friend who watched the show found it in very bad taste and inappropriate. I decide to see what it was all about and stopped 20 seconds into it because there only some much tacky I can handle.

Oh well, the only shame nowadays is to have any sense shame.

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