…there’s misunderstandings and then there’s rolling them over with a compressor… Jesus could not have been unaware that there was such huge “misunderstanding;” what sort of Preacher/Teacher would just rollover His audience?
Jesus was neither careless nor calloused. I would point to Matt 13:10-16 (And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,
‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND;
YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;
FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’), and assert that Jesus knows that these people will hear, but not understand, and see but not perceive, thereby fulfilling Scripture. And don’t forget what He said in John 6:44 (No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.). He knew who was drawn by the Father.
…yeah, nice attempt… but Jesus is not speaking in parables here; Jesus is adamant that unless the Believers eat His Flesh and drink His Blood they will not have Life.
…did you ever come across Jesus’ Teachings where He repeats the same parable over and over?:
[FONT=“Garamond”][size=]51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. 52 If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever
; and the bread that I will give, is** my flesh, for the life of the world**. 53 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us** his flesh to eat**? 54 Then Jesus said to them: **Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh **of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. 56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. (St. John 6:51-57)
In the span of just a few minutes Jesus Drills: EAT (CHEW/GNAW) MY FLESH!
…can you demonstrate a Teaching “parable” where Jesus stresses His Authoritative Command in such a way as above?
More like straw men.
…actually, not; just wanted to mellow it down so that you would not perceive a personal attack.
Funny. I see the word “memorial” in verses 24 and 25. If it was as your church claims, the “actual body, blood, spirit, soul and divinity”, why didn’t Jesus say “do this to me”? (Yeah, Jesus used the words “in memory” as well).
…so you are stating that St. Paul and all of Jesus’ contemporary Apostles/Disciples just got it wrong… that they simply misunderstood Jesus as the rest of the disciples that left him?
…and all of the Christians that followed, till your denominational enlightenment, got it wrong? …that people who were persecuted and maligned for being “cannibals” just did not have enough commonsense and that they had no sense of self-preservation… that they obstinately insisted on a practice that put them at odd with society and in danger of being killed for “eating the flesh” of their “cult” leader?
If we believed your straw man arguments, perhaps.
…actually, not; it is your Chinese acrobatics that keeps you from accepting Jesus’ and His Disciples’ Teachings… Jesus states: “this is MY BODY,” and the Apostles state: “this is HIS BODY;” yet, you state: ‘just a symbol, don’t pay attention to the actual context or content.’ And you repeat the though/belief of those who left Jesus: ‘how can this man Command us to EAT HIS FLESH? No way will we do such thing!’
Sorry. I’m packing for a move, so I don’t have my Greek sources available right now. However, I will give you something to chew on, “chew” doesn’t always deal with things you put in your mouth. Think about it carefully!
Wow… that’s quite some unpacking… and 'flesh" probably refers to inked text, right?
As I stated in my opening post, Jesus defines His meaning earlier in the discussion (“coming” and “believing” are the same as “eating” and “drinking”).
…wow, you have hammered down the perfect illusion!
I think your straw men are misleading and dishonest.
Since it is the Holy Spirit Who can Discern what is in the Spirit of man, I will let Him determine my motives–though, I will offer my explanation, whether you receive it or not:
I’m concerned for your back tracking… I though that some strenuous, in your face, engagement could impact your mind, heart, and Spirit, into returning to the Fold!