[quote=Churchmouse]Not at all and I don’t know how you got this from the post. The verse says that a wicked and perverse “generation” seeks a sign. It applies to those who wear the shoes, Protestant or Catholic.
I’m glad you cleared that up.
Well, that wouldn’t fall under the auspices of a “miracle” considering that the bread, very evidently, hasn’t changed. We can only take Rome’s word for it.
No, we take Jesus’ very own word for it.
I put it in quotations because I don’t believe that any apparition that brings attention to “herself” would be “Mary.” Mary was a humble servant of God who uttered, “Whatever He says to you, do.” The apparitional “Mary” doesn’t exalt Christ as much as she exalts herself. There is very little more to say about Mary from a biblical standpoint and even less in Biblical substance. BTW, I know more about Mary than you would assume and that’s not saying much because, as I stated, Scripture doesn’t say much about her.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Mary’s intention is to bring attention to her Son, to bring souls to her Son and she has requested over again for people to pray, pray, pray. Not for her, but for the world. You say you know more about Mary than I might assume, but your post did not reflect that. You also did not say exactly how much you know about Mary, but if you know anything at all about her, than you cannot deny that her intentions are for us and her Son. Not for her.
As far as your basing your knowledge of Mary on scripture (which was compiled by the Catholic church and ratified by a Pope) I’ll assume you are basing your opinions from a Sola Scriptura standpoint which is another thread.
And you are misconstruing the verse. The verse appeals to Christ and not to Mary. Do yourself a favor and do not attempt to bring a meaning to it not found in the text. IOW, Blessed are those who haven’t seen the wounds on"Jesus’" hands and side and still believe." Don’t employ it otherwise.
**YOU YOURSELF USED IT OUT OF CONTEXT. Go back and read your post. **
If you take them as rude and offensive, I apologize that you perceive it that way, but does that mean that I will acknowledge that the apparitions are Mary? No. Does that mean that I will stop quoting the verses which I feel are relevant to the thread? No. I won’t stop speaking in regards to this even if it is perceived as “offensive.” This forum is literally *smothered *with remarks which are offensive to non-Catholics but we learn to live within the framework of it all. I suggest you do the same.
Nobody is trying to persuade you to acknowledge that any of the apparitions are Mary. Catholics are not even required to believe that.
I didn’t ask you to stop quoting verses you think are relevant. Go for it and have fun doing it. And certainly don’t accuse me of using a verse out of context when you did that very thing. I just took your original post out another step. BTW, the Catholic faith is all about keeping things within context.
Yes, I perceived that post as offensive. One can post his/her opinion without being offensive. Your post, at least for me, is not a good example of that.
Remarks offensive to non-Catholics, yes sadly, I know what you are talking about but I can tell you that I’ve been to plenty of websites, forums or otherwise that are extremely offensive to Catholics as well. And, no , that doesn’t make it OK. We should all try not to be offensive. I think I live very well within the framework although some people make it harder to do so than others. My focus on this forum is to defend my Catholic faith, not to “cut-down”, or bash or criticize or whatever -you -want -to -call -it the faith of others.
I respect the fact that there are beliefs out there that differ from mine. Do you? If the answer is yes, then offensive posts would not be an issue.