Torchbearer exhibits courage in Paris [Pro tibet demonstrators anger me something fierce]

Way to go in the attempt to attack a crippled woman to prove a political point, knucklehead. I’m also angered at the fact that the these demonstrators have to ruin the spirit of the Olympics by trying to disrupt the torch relay to furthur their politcial views. Way to go. You make me sick.:mad:

"(PARIS, April 8) – The fifth leg of the Beijing Olympic Torch Relay kicked off at the Eiffel Tower in Paris, France, at 12:30 (GMT +2) on April 7. Here, a 27-year-old woman named Jin Jing, the third torchbearer in the relay, garnered much attention from media for her bravery.
A wheelchair user, Jin of Shanghai, China, had been repositioned one kilometer off the original course due to last minute modifications to the route.
Carrying the torch on the new course along the Seine River, Jin demonstrated great valor when a “pro-Tibet independence” activist, attempting to disrupt and sabotage the torch relay, reached for her wheelchair and lunged toward her. Without concern for her own safety, Jin did her best to protect the flame, her face exhibiting courage and pride in spite of the chaotic situation.
In that moment, it was easy to see why her friends call her the “smiling angel in a wheelchair.”

“But her bravery is not incidental. In 1989, when Jin was in third grade, a malignant tumor was found in her ankle, leading to amputation of part of her leg. She later returned to school after a year of chemotherapy. Refusing to use a cane for fear that she would get in people’s way, Jin insisted on getting around on one foot. Her persistence would lead to a lot of pain, but she would survive.
Successfully battling cancer, Jin would even become a member of the Shanghai Wheelchair Fencing Team in 2001.
Being selected as a Lenovo torchbearer “feels like a dream,” according to Jin. “God closed one door but opened another – happiness is the best gift you can give yourself,” said the optimistic Jin.”

For the pictures follow the link:

torchrelay.beijing2008.cn/en/journey/paris/news/n214297268.shtml

Yes, this is terrible incident. But why dismiss all pro-Tibet demonstrators because of the action of one person?

I feel the majority are like this, they even had to cancel the San Fran closing ceremony because of the demonstrators. Horrible.

torchrelay.beijing2008.cn/en/news/headlines/n214300566.shtml

The IOC president even addresses this type of behaviour in the above article.

The Olympics are a symbol of unity and peace for the world and for a brief two weeks we should set aside our differences in the Olympic spirit and become one people. The Olympics should not be used to furthur anyone’s political views.

Peace without justice is just another occupation. The Tibetans may not be our brothers in Christ yet, but they are still God’s children, and struggling under the heavy hand of occupation.

If there is a conflict between the purpose of the Olympics and these protests, the fault lies with the selection committee who selected a country with continuing acts of human rights violations not only in Tibet but in mainland China.

We too are called to stand up for the oppress (even if it means that we can nolonger get cheap clothes and electronics from Walmart!)

Perhaps we should remember what the Chinese have done to Tibetans, particularly religious ones:

rollingstone.com/news/story/13247913/the_end_of_tibet
The End of Tibet
Joshua KurlantzickPosted Feb 08, 2007 12:58 PM

“As the women chanted “Free Tibet,” Chinese police moved quickly, knocking them to the ground and dragging them to jail before their protest could attract attention. Inside the prison, Chinese authorities subjected the nuns to a brutal routine. “Police stuck electric prods into my vagina and then hung me from the ceiling,” Zangmo says softly. Her voice doesn’t waver, but she looks away. Some of her friends lost consciousness as soon as guards pushed the cattle prods inside them, but Zangmo remained alert throughout the torture. “I was totally, totally frightened,” she says.”

Mao launched the brutal attempt to destroy Tibetan culture and religion with the slogan “Religion is poison”

I am with the demonstrators.

I am sorry to see.

This is a propaganda piece. The link goes to a site based in mainland china. We’re given three snaps and no video of the incident.

The first photo shows the man sprawled out on his back with police surrounding him still clinging on the flag which he most probably was holding with both hands before being taken down while the woman sits aloof with a pair of escorts next to her, one of whom clasps the womans torch-bearing hand. I really doubt the man was ever in a position to touch much less shove the woman’s wheelchair while having both his hands occupied with his flag.

The second photo shows the woman and her escorts still standing in traffic while the man is being detained by a policeman in back of them. Since all there photos were snapped by the same chinese protographer the angles suggest that there were stopped or at least slowly moving from the start to finish of the incident while the protographer, Jia Ting, buzzed around trying to get the best protos for this chinese site.

Finally, the third photo shows the woman and her escorts laughing gleefully as they move onwards. Of course that is the reaction one normally gets when seeing someone get knocked to the ground while holding a flag especially when such a person is protesting against their kind and caring government.

[quote=Fox]Way to go in the attempt to attack a crippled woman to prove a political point, knucklehead.
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Do you know that man’s circumstances? Whether someone dear to him is rotting in a Chinese prison for having been accused of saying “subversive” about the beneficent government? Or whether they were accidently beaten to death for demonstrating against said fine government? I can not judge him until I know a little bit more about his circumstances.

[quote=Fox]I’m also angered at the fact that the these demonstrators have to ruin the spirit of the Olympics by trying to disrupt the torch relay to furthur their politcial views. Way to go. You make me sick.:mad:
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Unfortunately, they risk life and limb demonstrating in China. And though it might seem distasteful, this is their only chance. While I disagree with violent demonstration and this does not appear to be one of those incidents, I’ve also seen very little of it as the demonstators are relatively well behaved.

Yet, I wonder if anyone could give much less of a care if the protests had been without incident. The Tibetan’s people’s voice has been drowned out and their bet’s plight is being marginalized. Should we collaborate with the Chinese government by buying into their propaganda?

If that woman was concivied in a poor family in China, she would have been aborted and murdered by the government.

Did I miss something? She was born in Shanghai.

While I think violent protest should be avoided, I’m all for protesting the upcoming Olympics in China. It’s bad enough that they have become an economic giant, but it seems like being awarded the games have made them more brazen about human right’s abuses: in Tibet, in China itself, not to mention their complicity in Darfur.

What I totally don’t get is how people can refer to protesting these abuses as ‘mixing politics’ with the Olympics. This isn’t about ideological squabbling between political parties, this is about people’s lives. How did we come so far from the 60’s and 70’s when standing up for human rights was the noblest thing people could do? Now we hear whining about the threat to the careers of athletes who have trained for years for these games…What the poor driven from their homes, what about those imprisoned or killed?

Is it only me, or do the lives of the less fortunate seem to have less and less value from a global perspective? I remember high school kids (not to mention college) burning with indignation over apartheid and willing to do what little they could to bring it to an end. Now it seems like when injustice/oppression is brought to people’s attention, this is simply viewed as an irritating inconvenience. Too many of our youth couldn’t be induced by any means to even look up on a map the places where atrocities are occurring and better can’t be said for a lot of adults.:frowning:

Western Countires (Europe, Australia, North America, Japan) love their cheap Wal-Mart junk. They’d have millions upon millions of people die or be killed before they give up their material possessions. Thing is, we don’t have to give up our material possessions, we just have to make it ourselves or have other democratic countries make them (Ghana, Ethopia, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan). I guess the West values China’s friendship more than its fellow men.

One day, China will invade Taiwan and the West will sit idly by.

Honestly, I no longer look at the Olympics the same way. How people can people get in competition mode knowing the atrocities committed on the same land? This goes beyond politics IMO.

I know I, for the first time in my life, will refuse to watch this year’s summer Olympics. The US boycotted Olympics in the past due to the host country’s blatant violation of human rights…why aren’t we doing it again this year?

My family and I watched London’s Olympic torch relay on TV and it saddened to watch the raw emotions protesters displayed last weekend. At the same time, quite glad that Tibetans outside of Tibet can enjoy the freedom in the West to protest where they cannot do so in their country. Rallying cries and banners for Tibet are non-violent means to bring awareness of the plight of the Tibetans against Chinese rule. The objective of the protesters along the relay route is simply to snuff out the torch. Despite the “unpleasantness” of the protests against the background of an event which is supposed to be free of political undertones, we can only be thankful that the Tibetan supporters are non-violent. We have the Munich Olympics to compare with.

Maybe because we owe them 100s of billions of dollars.
(Thanks, President Bush)

POOR

Well…as she seems to have not been born disabled…it is much harder to abort a third grader than it is a foetus. Please, in the future use sentences to explain things, not random capitalised words.

You said it! I think about this a lot - it’s just all about getting the latest cell phone or computer game. Shallow beyond belief. :frowning:

Could some of the torchbearer attacks be caused by Chinese communist sympathizers? That is at least one theory being brought forward today.

The disinformation I’ve seen on this thread is abundant. Calling riots that entail out of control street thugs slashing, burning and beating to death innocent people in the Tibetan region of China a “protest” is absurd! Also, there are laws against unlawful assemblies in most of the countries in the world, including the USA, that when broken land the disrupters in jail.
Outdated anecdotal stories of prison brutality are of no relevance, or should we all agree that the USA burns witches at the stake and beats blacks today because it happened before?
As for the “oppression” some of the ignorant posters refer to, which thing were you talking about; the transportation infrastructure, the state-of-the-art medical services, the institutions of higher learning, the huge amount of money given to the victims of the riots, or the freedom to practice their religion (all of which the region enjoys as part of the country)?
Then of course what if the PRC voided the region of their rightful governing authority? They could relocate those resources to another province and reassign the police and public services, then what? Oh, it would be all clear for this Dalai Lama character to assume the role of king; a theocratic monarchy, don’t those always work just peachy? Then, when the religious warriors swoop down from the west (the Pakistan/Kashmere warring area), I’m sure the Buddhists’ prayers will protect them from decapitation.
As a footnote; year 1959 infant morality rate 43%, today 0.06%; thanks to the so called occupation.

Clarify this for me:

  1. Were some thousands of houses bulldozed in preparation for the Olympics, with no redress for the homeowners?

  2. Are Chinese trucks/drivers being used to transport people of Darfur off oil rich land that China hopes to help the Sudanese gov’t drill for oil?

To your knowledge, has any of this been documented with photos? If there is any truth in the above allegations, should any sporting event regardless of how historic, be allowed to overshadow said atrocities?

This is not all about Tibet. Furthermore, if your above depiction of the protests/riots there are indeed accurate, please direct me to the articles in the free press that document and verify this.

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