jjsmity. You asked:
(Why) Having saints and men as leaders with little focus on god and bible, no bibles for the laity just what is read by priest. relying on traditions of men . . . .
These misinformed assumptions aren’t true jjsmity. Ask your minister to . . .
*]Why do these saints “with little focus on god and bible” give their lives up for prayer? Ask your minister to tell you about all the Baptist monasteries where peoples whole lives are devoted to prayer for others.
*]Ask your minister to tell you why these saints “with little focus on god and bible” gave and give their lives for the poor and infirm. Tell me about all the Baptists that founded hospitals due to TB, Leprosy, and other chronic incurable diseases before profits were to be made off of this as today.
*]Ask him (or her-depending on which Baptist tradition you belong to) why do these saints “with little focus on god and bible” give their lives for education for the betterment of others. Tell me about all the Baptist Universities that helped build society upon what it is today.
many outside see the church see Catholicisms as far removed from biblical doctrine, quoting popes/bishops as authoritative instead of scripture.
Think about it jjsmity. Authority is THE issue.
And when people are at odds, they can pull out their Scriptures (Scriptures that before the printing press, took three Catholic-monk years to transcribe a full Bible) to try to settle their differences.
But if they can’t settle their differences then what? They go with two or three others. Then if they can’t settle it then what?
**MATTHEW 18:16-18 ** 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(Just listen to the degree of authority Jesus is giving [and protecting])
They take it to THE CHURCH. And if they don’t listen EVEN to the Church (just listen to that language Jesus uses). . . if these guys in error don’t listen EVEN to the CHURCH, let him be to you as an outsider and a tax collector.
Now you are going to say: “Well, I don’t think that is the Catholic Church.”
That’s fine (for now).
Notice there is a CHURCH that you can take it to, that gives authoritative God-protected answers.
If you are going to follow the Scriptures, you NEED to ask yourself, “WHERE is that Church with such God-given, God-protected authority throughout the ages?”
You might say it is not the Catholic Church (it is, but assuming you think it is NOT you still need to seek it as it is talked about in the Scriptures).
But then you NEED to look for that one Church who can give you the authoritative fullness of truth.
John Smyth and his inventing of the Baptist Church certainly isn’t going to be that Church jjsmity.
The Anabaptist traditions, are traditions of men jjsmity . . .
. . . .traditions of Men like the Zwickau “prophets” (principally Nicholas Storch, Thomas Dreschel and Markus Stübner) as well as the proto-Marxist politician Thomas Müntzer (1489-1525) in Germany, and “the Swiss Brethren” from 1525 (Felix Manz, Conrad Grebel, and ex-Catholic Priest George Blaurock) in Switzerland. Also ex-Catholic Priest Menno Simons (inventor of the Mennonite religion), or ex-Anglican Priest John Smyth (inventor of the “Baptist” religion).
Smyth was called a “Se Baptist” (short for self-baptist) because he was too arrogant to allow any one else the “privilege” of baptizing him so **Smyth “baptized” himself! ** This is the patrimony of the baptist tradition.
Smyth was eventually excommunicated from the tradition he himself invented as a protégé of himself, for getting too chummy with the (at the time) new-fangled Mennonite tradition.
I had a lot of years of Baptist evangelism (although I never left the Catholic faith and it is a long story as WHY I went to Baptist Sunday School for a time and participated in Baptist youth ministry also for a time). And there is a lot of things you will never be told about Catholicism there.
But if you are like me, you probably DID get a little “Are You Saved” card to write in the date (also a tradition of men) that you “accepted Jesus into your heart as personal Lord and Savior” (also not explicitly in Scripture and is also a tradition of men that has some partial truths and some erroneous assumptions).
Did you ever ask your minsters why the Apostles never had people sign a little “Are You Saved” sheepskin or vellum?
See Christianity Today (here) on the invention of the Baptist tradition:
. . . “Baptism is not washing with water: but it is the baptism of the Spirit, the confession of the mouth, and the washing with water.”
When he was exiled to Amsterdam from his native England, John Smyth gathered three dozen of his followers around him. The former Anglican preacher and Cambridge fellow recited a confession of faith; then he baptized himself. . .
. . .But to this day, . . .he is remembered, . . . as the first Baptist. (bold mine, whole article here).
Hope this helps with your questions.