Tradition = vocations – It isn’t rocket science


#1

wdtprs.com/blog/2017/08/tradition-vocations-it-isnt-rocket-science/#comments

Also in the comments section a link to a great video was posted about a parish as an example…

youtube.com/watch?v=P26jjOCv4PY&feature=youtu.be


#2

A lot of Catholics cannot understand or accept what the blog and news article explained.
But I would agree that cultivating good priestly vocations in the Church is not as mysterious as it is made to seem. Yes, it’s not rocket science.


#3

100% true. Stats don’t lie. I’d be a priest right now if I could enter a traditional seminary in my country and minister in my country. I’m sure I’m one of many men who would be priests if the opportunity was available.


#4

why not become a priest and then help bring in orthodoxy?


#5

why not become a priest and then help bring in orthodoxy?

The seminaries are seriously deficient. They don’t teach philosophy or theology properly. They don’t teach Latin as they should. I’m not denigrating our priests but most OF priests haven’t been educated properly. I’d be ordained and be a genuine priest, but I’d be seriously lacking in terms of my formation. Plus, the new seminaries don’t adequately prepare men to live celibate lifestyles. I’m basing this opinion on conversations I’ve had with priests and former seminarians. Most European seminaries need a serious overhaul.

I’d also like to add, even if I went to a traditional seminary such as FSSP in Nebraska, I’d not be able to serve the people in my diocese and probably not in my country. I know two other men who felt called to the priesthood but have my opinions. I’m certainly not alone. The priest shortage is manufactured and caused by unorthodox prelates in charge of the seminaries.


#6

I believe that I’m looking ordinary it, which is traditional, also has quite a few men looking to enter into the ordination process.


#7

Oops. Meant Anglican Ordinariate.


#8

Now THAT would be rocket science.


#9

Now THAT would be rocket science.

This is rocket science: you can’t give what you don’t have. Nemo dat quod non habet.

I’ve spoken to MANY priests and they’ve all told me to head over to the USA for priestly training. I’d be willing to do that but there’s no guarantee I’d be placed in my home country. Then there is the issue of funding. It’s not as simple as ‘rocket science.’

If anyone wants to know why I have my opinions, read the book ‘Good Bye Good Men.’ It’s a very accurate portrayal of OF seminaries. I’ve also spoken to former seminarians (one who had to receive counselling after his experience in seminary) and they paint the same picture. There’s heresy, rampant homosexuality, drunkenness etc. I honestly believe I would be mentally damaged if I went to a diocesan seminary. And I’m not being dramatic.

Why would anyone give their life to something only to constantly doubt themselves after ordination. I know many priests like that. They always feel inadequate because of their poor formation. They’re also persecuted by Bishops and brother priests for trying to ‘bring orthodoxy’ into their parishes. One of my priest friends was severely reprimanded for celebrating Mass ad orientem.


#10

Oops. Meant Anglican Ordinariate.

I appreciate the ordinariate but I’m a Catholic of the Roman Rite and I’d want to celebrate the traditional Roman Rite. I’d want to learn Latin (as required by Canon law) and study St. Thomas Aquinas fully. My priestly role model has always been Fulton Sheen. The only way to follow his footsteps would be to enter a traditional seminary. The nearest one to me is Econe but that’s SSPX. That means the only suitable place is Nebraska with the FSSP.


#11

I don’t know how old you are, but I don’t think you are looking at this correctly. You could be part of the solution. Perhaps you could attend seminary in Rome, perhaps your local vocations office would be willing to send you to Rome.

Furthermore, there are many priests who continue their education afterwards (or even before hand). There are many online, orthodox Catholic colleges where you could major in Philosophy and Theology.

Here are just a few:
Holy Apostles College & Seminary (holyapostles.edu/)
Angelicum (pust.it/index.php?lang=en)
Maryvale Institute (maryvale.ac.uk)
Franciscan University of Steubenville (franciscan.edu)
Augustine Institute (augustineinstitute.org)
Catholic Distance University (cdu.edu)
University of Dallas (udallas.edu/ministry/academics/online_programs.php)

God Bless


#12

Simple; because it has to be his way or the highway. It’s the religious equivalent of if things aren’t how I want, then *I’ll take my ball and go home.
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#13

Simple; because it has to be his way or the highway. It’s the religious equivalent of if things aren’t how I want, then I’ll take my ball and go home.

You’re a clever man. You don’t know who I am, where I live or my life situation. Yet, you’re able to read my mind and my heart to make a massive judgment about my character.

I strongly suggest you think before you make snap judgments about people and their lives. Did you ever consider that I can’t “take my ball” to the nearest seminaries. Did you consider that my potential vocation is to a traditional fraternity such as the FSSP. I’ve discerned for years and I’m guided by a priest!

Think before you start typing! This isn’t a joke! This isn’t a bloody game! This is my life and my soul! I’m the one who’ll have to answer to Our Lord on judgment day! Your comment is disgraceful. You don’t know what you’re talking about! Instead of making impetuous judgments about people you don’t know, maybe you could try praying a Rosary for those of us caught between a rock and a hard place.


#14

“I’d be a priest right now if I could enter a traditional seminary…”- Dempsey1919

Instead of worrying about whether you get what you want, I will be grateful and thankful for the many obedient priests of my diocese who do what is required of them and who go where the bishop tells them. Being a priest is about serving others, not oneself.


#15

Instead of worrying about whether you get what you want, I will be grateful and thankful for the many obedient priests of my diocese who do what is required of them and who go where the bishop tells them. Being a priest is about serving others, not oneself.

What about what the Lord wants? What about serving God? Many seminaries are Catholic in name only. Many seminaries get rid of orthodox seminarians. I personally know people who have been rejected for things like praying the Rosary. Things were improving under JPII and Benedict but there’s been a negative trend under Pope Francis. That’s why men seek out traditional seminaries. There’s a crisis in vocations for a reason. But according to your logic, its because potential seminarians like myself have taken our balls and gone home. You’re either naive or ignorant. I’m inclined to believe the latter based on your judgmental tone.

It’s got nothing to do with what I want. Two obedient diocesan priests have told me not to apply for seminary in my country. They’ve told me to go to the USA and responsibilities to my elderly parents mean I can’t live in the US for 7 years - and potentially forever once I’m ordained. Then there’s the matter of finances. It’s not as black and white as your comments suggest.

I’m through talking with you because you appear to know it all.


#16

I’m confused, if you are in Europe, what about the original FSSP seminary in Wigratzbad?

I also agree with others that you seem to be looking at the problem of a lack of orthodoxy backwards.


#17

My decision is my own. People are free to disagree but I stand by what I’ve written. There would be no priest shortage if the rectors of seminaries did what they’re supposed to do. The shortage has been manifactured by heterodox prelates. The orthodox, traditional seminaries are thriving. It’s a shame there aren’t more of them. A lot of men can’t go to foreign countries to study for the priesthood. I’m in that category. I would’ve went to my local seminary but it closed down because it was notorious and vocations dried up.


#18

I agree with your previous comment to a poster here, who clearly doesn’t know what he is talking about, that unqualified advice to someone discerning the priesthood can be potentially damaging and does not take into consideration God’s calling. There are many young men who are called to serve God through the traditional form of Mass - forcing them into a diocesan seminary is contrary to God’s calling. It’s like those called to monastic life.
But aside from that, any public forum, even a Catholic one like this is probably not the best place to present your thoughts on discernment because you’ll get such a conflict of voices telling you things. It’s hard enough to discern God’s will in this matter at times just through the ordinary means of prayer and spiritual direction that adding a jumble of voices, including those of people who are clearly ignorant, might only make matters worse for you.


#19

There sure are a lot of *“I want” * stipulations in that sentence. I thought a “calling” went beyond personal desires.

Nonsense. There has been a priest shortage for centuries. There is a reason why bishops used to appoint priests from religious orders in their diocese as parish pastors; because there weren’t enough diocesan priests to go around. This is one of the reasons why many religious orders lost their identity and simply became absorbed in the local parishes. Vatican II put an end to that but religious orders are still very shy about allowing members to become ordained for fear that they may be appropriated.

If you can’t bring Mohammed to the mountain, then bring the mountain to Mohammed.

If priestly formation overseas is not an option for you, then you should choose among those options that are.

Honestly, your posts indicate that your desire to “serve God” all hinge on being able to do it in the way that you want. There have been many priests and religious who started on one path only to find themselves in a place they never dreamt. What is the old joke? *Want to make God laugh? Tell Him your plans.
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Sorry, don’t believe it.

Then I would say that your calling is already settled. You owe a serious duty to your parents. Good luck.


#20

Actually, this is not true. NO “call” to priesthood (or religious life) is solely one’s own. In the case of secular priesthood, it is a process of mutual discernment, between you and the bishop/diocese to which you apply. In fact, it is a matter of Church teaching that one’s call to ordination is not finalized until the bishop actually lays his hands on you during the rite of ordination. Up until then, everything is tentative. So NEVER say that the decision is your own. It is not–it is at least as much that of the bishop, in the name of the Church.

And that, I’m afraid, is why so many here are concerned about the sense in what you have written that it is all up to you, and what YOU want. It is not–for you or anyone else. And is it perhaps possible that those who have been involved in such matters for years, or decades, may know more about what is involved (or should be involved) than you do?


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