Traditional Catholicism Is Winning


#1

Traditional Catholicism Is Winning

From the Wall Street Journal:

There were 467 new priestly ordinations in the U.S. last year, and Boston's seminary had to turn away applicants.

In his Holy Thursday homily at St. Peter's Basilica on April 5, Pope Benedict XVI denounced calls from some Catholics for optional celibacy among priests and for women's ordination. The pope said that "true renewal" comes only through the "joy of faith" and "radicalism of obedience."

And renewal is coming. After the 2002 scandal about sexual abuse by clergy, progressive Catholics were predicting the end of the celibate male priesthood in books like "Full Pews and Empty Altars" and "The Death of Priesthood." Yet today the number of priestly ordinations is steadily increasing.

A new seminary is to be built near Charlotte, N.C., and the archdiocese of Washington, D.C., has expanded its facilities to accommodate the surge in priestly candidates. Boston's Cardinal Sean Patrick O'Malley recently told the National Catholic Register that when he arrived in 2003 to lead that archdiocese he was advised to close the seminary. Now there are 70 men in Boston studying to be priests, and the seminary has had to turn away candidates for lack of space.

According to the Vatican's Central Office of Church Statistics, there were more than 5,000 more Catholic priests world-wide in 2009 than there were in 1999. This is welcome news for a growing Catholic population that has suffered through a real shortage of priests.

The situation in the U.S. is still tenuous. The number of American Catholics has grown to 77.7 million, up from 50 million in 1980. But the priest-to-parishioner ratio has changed for the worse. In 1965, there was one priest for every 780 American parishioners. By 1985, there was one priest for every 900 Catholics, and by 2011 there was one for every 2,000. In dioceses where there are few ordinations, such as New York's Rochester and Albany, people know this shortage well.

Still, the future is encouraging. There were 467 new priestly ordinations in the U.S. last year, according to a survey by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University, up from 442 a decade ago.

While some of the highest numbers of new priests are in the Catholic-majority cities of Newark, N.J., and Philadelphia, ordinations in Washington, D.C. (18 last year) and Chicago (26) also are booming. The biggest gains are not only in traditional Catholic strongholds. In Lincoln, Neb., Catholics constitute only 16% of the population yet have some of the strongest numbers of ordinations. In 2011, there were 10 men ordained as priests in Lincoln.

What explains the trend? Nearly 20 years ago, Archbishop Elden Curtiss, then leader of the Omaha, Neb., diocese, suggested that when dioceses are unambiguous and allow a minimum of dissent about the male, celibate priesthood, more candidates answer the call to the priesthood. Our preliminary research on the correlates of priestly ordinations reveals that the dioceses with the largest numbers of new priests are led by courageous bishops with faithful and inspirational vocations offices.

Leadership and adherence to church doctrine certainly distinguish the bishop of Lincoln, the Most Rev. Fabian Bruskewitz. He made national news in 1996 when he stated that members of dissident Catholic groups including Call to Action and Catholics for Choice had automatically excommunicated themselves from the church.

Cardinal Francis George, the longtime leader of the Chicago archdiocese, once gave a homily that startled the faithful by pronouncing liberal Catholicism "an exhausted project . . . parasitical on a substance that no longer exists." Declaring that Catholics are at a "turning point" in the life of the church in this country, the cardinal concluded that the bishops must stand as a "reality check for the apostolic faith."

Such forthright defense of the faith and doctrine stands in clear contrast to the emphasis of an earlier generation of Catholic theologians and historians. Many boomer priests and scholars were shaped by what they believed was an "unfulfilled promise" of Vatican II to embrace modernity. Claiming that the only salvation for the church would be to ordain women, remove the celibacy requirement and empower the laity, theologians such as Paul Lakeland, a Fairfield University professor and former Jesuit priest, have demanded that much of the teaching authority of the bishops and priests be transferred to the laity.

This aging generation of progressives continues to lobby church leaders to change Catholic teachings on reproductive rights, same-sex marriage and women's ordination. But it is being replaced by younger men and women who are attracted to the church because of the very timelessness of its teachings.

They are attracted to the philosophy, the art, the literature and the theology that make Catholicism countercultural. They are drawn to the beauty of the liturgy and the church's commitment to the dignity of the individual. They want to be contributors to that commitment—alongside faithful and courageous bishops who ask them to make sacrifices. It is time for Catholics to celebrate their arrival.

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#2

Very good news, not that I agree with 100% of the wording.

It's interesting that my diocese got mentioned in the Wall Street Journal, though I wish it had been for another reason.


#3

Great news. I love being part of the true Church. A church that does not bend to popular ideas of the day. :smiley:


#4

Praise the Lord and our wonderful Pope Benedict XVI!!!


#5

Yeah we’re winning!!!


#6

As if it was a contest we were/are having.

If we continue to do what is right, and do it in lingt of God and not ourselves, God will keep us on the right path. He has shown us this throughout history, since He began time.


#7

[quote="yogicat, post:5, topic:281385"]
Yeah we're winning!!!!!!!!!

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Is it the tiger blood?

:D


#8

[quote="Big_Feet, post:6, topic:281385"]
As if it was a contest we were/are having.

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It is a contest, with The Devil, The World and The Spirit Of Vatican II i.e. rebellion.


#9

[quote="TempleServant, post:8, topic:281385"]
It is a contest, with The Devil, The World and The Spirit Of Vatican II i.e. rebellion.

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So, you are saying that the "Spirit of Vatican II" is on par with the devil? Are you saying that the Council of the Church that Pope John XXIII called in the 1960s produced evil, and itself was evil? Please help me understand what you are saying?

And shouldnt the world be considered good, as when God created it, he said it was so. Now...parts of it, due to the abuse of free will, I will admit are not great, but the world as a whole? Not good? I respectfully dissagree.


#10

[quote="Big_Feet, post:9, topic:281385"]
So, you are saying that the "Spirit of Vatican II" is on par with the devil? Are you saying that the Council of the Church that Pope John XXIII called in the 1960s produced evil, and itself was evil? Please help me understand what you are saying?

And shouldnt the world be considered good, as when God created it, he said it was so. Now...parts of it, due to the abuse of free will, I will admit are not great, but the world as a whole? Not good? I respectfully dissagree.

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I can't speak for TempleServant, but often when someone mentions the "Spirit of Vatican II" they mean specifically the attitude of those who abused the memory of the Council to do some very disobedient and/or imprudent things in the post-Conciliar period (which is now transitioning into the post-post-Conciliar period).

As far as the goodness or evilness of the world, I think we should take our cue from the New Testament. On the one hand, the world is one of those three great things we must fight against, together with the flesh and the devil. The king of the world is Satan. The world will persecute Christians, because we are not of the world. Etc. On the other hand, it's this same world that God loved so much that he gave his only begotten Son for it. The world is originally good, is fallen into sin and disorder and the dominion of the Devil, and is redeemed in the person of Christ and in we who are called out of it's dominion and into Christ.


#11

[quote="Aelred_Minor, post:10, topic:281385"]
The king of the world is Satan.

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Where and when does the Church teach this?
And when exactly did God give Satan this kingship over that was once His?

Our flesh and this world are intrinsically good. God made it, therefore this is so. When we use it according to His plan it is good. To say otherwise would be incorrect.

Now, I am not saying it has not been corrupted in some ways, but that is our fault, coming from our decisions, not God's.


#12

John 12:31 refers to Satan as the "ruler" or "prince" (depending on translation) of the world. Perhaps one of these words would have been preferable to "king". Obviously I was paraphrasing the New Testament's general attitude towards the world, not providing exact quotes. Of course I did not mean to imply that the kingship (or principality, if you prefer) of Satan is of the same sort as God's kingship over all Creation.

Certainly all things are intrinsically good inasmuch as they objectively exist. Satan himself is also intrinsically good in this sense. That does not mean he is not also terribly evil.

The world retains a great deal of inherent goodness, but it is a fallen place nonetheless. Fortunately we believe that it is coming to some great conclusion, after which it will be remade- a renewed, redeemed world. In the Catholic Church that new order already exists in a hidden way, but we are still sojourning in this valley of tears, this world which hates us because we are not of it but are of the new world that is to come.


#13

[quote="Big_Feet, post:9, topic:281385"]
So, you are saying that the "Spirit of Vatican II" is on par with the devil? Are you saying that the Council of the Church that Pope John XXIII called in the 1960s produced evil, and itself was evil? Please help me understand what you are saying?

And shouldnt the world be considered good, as when God created it, he said it was so. Now...parts of it, due to the abuse of free will, I will admit are not great, but the world as a whole? Not good? I respectfully dissagree.

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The World is the mundane and worldliness is the love of the mundane. The Spirit of Vatican II is diabolical in that it offers rebellion, disorder and a fixation on reconciling The World and Christianity. John 15:18: *"If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you." * The two are not compatible. You have to choose who you will serve.

Satan also offers nothing original and the Spirit Of Vatican II has given us just that: a mish-mash of things drawn from history; tired borrowings from Protestantism and a Protestant-like desire to sweep away centuries of development and return to an imagined, purer past.

Result: destruction and enervation. Where is the mystery? Gone!

It a bit like going from full dress Shakespeare, on a realistic set, to a 'street' version in modern clothes. One done with slang, in a minimalist set, with a clique constantly shouting: You must like this style or you are an ossified hick!

And then we had the Motu Proprio.


#14

[quote="Big_Feet, post:11, topic:281385"]
Where and when does the Church teach this?
And when exactly did God give Satan this kingship over that was once His?

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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

2853 Victory over the "prince of this world" was won once for all at the Hour when Jesus freely gave himself up to death to give us his life. This is the judgment of this world, and the prince of this world is "cast out." "He pursued the woman" but had no hold on her: the new Eve, "full of grace" of the Holy Spirit, is preserved from sin and the corruption of death (the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of the Most Holy Mother of God, Mary, ever virgin). "Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring." Therefore the Spirit and the Church pray: "Come, Lord Jesus," since his coming will deliver us from the Evil One.

2864 In the last petition, "but deliver us from evil," Christians pray to God with the Church to show forth the victory, already won by Christ, over the "ruler of this world," Satan, the angel personally opposed to God and to his plan of salvation.


#15

If one were to look at the names of the people being ordained to the priesthood, one would find mostly Hispanic and Asian names.

I think God has sent the Hispanics into our nation to save us from ourselves.

-Tim


#16

I see Traditionalist Catholicism as winning as an indication of the trend toward the political trend to the very conservative.

Just like the marriage of convenince between Catholics and fundamental/evangelical Protestants based one opposition to abortion only. When in fact Evangelicals hate Cathlolics and even often say we are not even Christians.


#17

[quote="TimothyH, post:15, topic:281385"]
If one were to look at the names of the people being ordained to the priesthood, one would find mostly Hispanic and Asian names.

I think God has sent the Hispanics into our nation to save us from ourselves.

-Tim

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I must say that from my own anecdotal evidence, new Hispanic and Asian priests seem confined to certain parts of the country mostly.


#18

Traditional, Catholic writers have listed the three sources of temptation as “the world, the flesh, and the devil.” I think he was referencing that.


#19

Duplicate thread. Please keep it all in one thread. Thanks.

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