Traditional or close to traditional parish

A friend of mine and I want to know if there are any traditional or close to traditional parishes in Oakland County here in Michigan.

We are looking for a parish where Mass is celebrated with lots of reverence, priests preach the right stuff, minimal Latin and maybe kneeling for communion.

We appreciate any help.

try the thread on parishes in SE Michigan, there is also an old thread on TLM in metro Det. area.
forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=94210&highlight=Michigan

We are not looking for something like Assumption Grotto or St. Josaphat. We are looking for traditional parishes in Oakland County only. No Wayne County or Macomb or anything outside Oakland. That means Detroit parishes don’t count and St. Cyril and Methodius does not count.

We need some parish in Oakland County with traditional style liturgies or rather traditional priest. We need a parish like this in Oakland County so we don’t have to consume so much gas going to Grotto or St. Joseph’s or Old St. Mary’s etc…

Thanks and God Bless. :slight_smile:

I know that is a very long thread, and they do talk a lot about AG and TLM but there are posts on other parishes including Oakland cty if you can wade through it, you could also PM some of the more active members of this thread. I don’t live there any more so I can’t advise you, but we are very happy with Guardian Angels in Clawson when we visit. I also hear the Shrine has done a 180 and returned to orthodox reverent NO liturgies.

I live in SE Michigan and we attend Assumption Grotto, even though it is not near our home. About a 20 minute drive across I-696 from I-75, and then down to about six and a half mile. To me the extra bit of gas is well worth the drive. We are supporting a thriving and extremely traditional parish/convent/school. No one at Grotto lives in that neighborhood. Everyone drives a distance to get there - the reason can be plainly seen after your first Mass.

But if you flatly refuse to venture into Detroit or out of Oakland County, then you will have a difficult time finding something similar. Most Oakland County parishes (not all, but most) are pretty basic. If I do have to stay closer for home for whatever reason, I will attend 10:45am Sunday Mass at the National Shrine of the Little Flower in Royal Oak. The homilies don’t do much for me, but the Mass is nice.

Good luck in your quest! :smiley:

~Liza

St. Josephat is well worth the trip. My father lives in Oakland county and when I am home we drive there. I figure the sacrifice of the extra gas, and believe me, for our family it is a real sacrifice, is well worth the beauty and reverence of a Tridentine mass.

Well, I am already currently involved at St. Josaphat. I did start the Detroit’s Tridentine Mass thread here some time ago.

I just started this thread to help out a friend who is in need of a parish that is fairly orthodox within the boundries of Oakland County. She feels the 45 minutes to Grotto is too much and the drive to places like St. Joseph or St. Cyrils are too far as well. I told her to attend Mass at the Chaldean Rite in Southfield if she was really bent on something traditional.

She would attend the Chaldean parish which belongs to the Chaldean Church and which uses the Chaldean rite. You might also inform her that on top of having the priest pray ad orientem and without female altar servers, she will also be taking in a different liturgy, theology, spirituality, and ethnic group. She might also notice that the Words of Institution (Take, eat…) are completely lacking from the Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari, which is the liturgy celebrated by the Chaldeans.

PS: Please also keep Fr. Ragheed Ganni, Deacon Basman Joseph, Deacon Bassam and Deacon Ghassan in your prayers that they may have eternal memory and blessed repose. They were Chaldean Catholic clergymen in Mosul who were shot to death after Liturgy yesterday. Their bodies were left in front of the church where they remained for fear of anyone moving them being shot. Their funerals were today. forum.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=158550

The Words of Institution are not lacking in the Raza or Liturgy as served by the Chaldean Church. The Anaphora of Holy Addai and Mari absent the Words of Institution is served only by the Assyrian Church and the Ancient Church of the East.

Joe

Joe,
It is my understanding that some of the Chaldean Catholic Churches are also returning to their proper anaphora. I further understand that the Vatican has addressed this anaphora and found it to be valid.

There’s nothing wrong (in fact it is right) to desire to have reverence in the liturgy. But there is another option than looking for a specific parish that meets the requirements you list. Go to the parish in your neghborhood and suffer through whatever there is you don’t like and make reparations for whatever irreverence and sacrlieges there might be. Offer consolations to the Lord where He is least respected and most abused. Be enflamed with the fire of charity as well as you pray for the reform of this church. Pray and do penances fervently for the priest there. This will help to bring things back to order–any tanglible participation at the parish you can do is also helpful–try do bring about the proper reverence and obedience even if you suffer rebukes and calumniess–suffer them for the Lord. Things will never change unless we have the courage to face them with heroic patience, rather than running from them.

Finally, some words of advice from St. Pius X said, “Who will prevent us from hoping that the flame of Christian charity may dispel the darkness from their minds and bring to them light and the peace of God? It may be that the fruit of our labors may be slow in coming, but charity wearies not with waiting, knowing that God prepares His rewards not for the results of toil but for the good will shown in it.” :slight_smile:

Guardian Angels has been going ‘downhill’ in the last year or so. That was the parish my wife and I left in favor of SS Cyril and Methodius.

I also hear the Shrine has done a 180 and returned to orthodox reverent NO liturgies.

Shrine is good,

An even better one is St. Gerald’s in Farmington.

Great priest there and you can expect only rock solid homilies, and only altar BOYS in cassocks and surplices.

Communion is recieved standing there, however, unlike the other parishes the OP posted ( St. J’s, Grotto, and SS C&M). Patents are used though :thumbsup:

Well, just to let everyone know, Shrine had a wonderful Corpus Christi procession. They had the canopy and acordian muscians with some other foreign instrument. They sang “O Sacrament most holy…” througout the procession.

SIL tells me the Shrine as perpetual adoration, and she takes an hour a week on her rotation. Our kids are out of school so I have no idea how good it is but I heard it is still open, which says something about how parishioners are willing to support Catholic education.

Woodstock,

The Anaphora was indeed studied by Rome and held to validly effect Eucharistic Consecration, despite the absence of an explicit Institution Narrative. However no Chaldean parishes use the Anaphora of Holy Addai and Mari without including explicit Words of Institution, nor are they permitted to do so, or likely to be so permitted in the immediate future. Additionally, as matters stand, doing so would be counter to their liturgical tradition, as they lack the matter associated with the ability to offer the Anaphore without the Institution Text.

At the time of the union of the Chaldeans with Rome, there was a requirement stated that the explicit Words were to be inserted into the Anaphora. While this is often looked at as merely a latinization, there are those who consider it to have also been an acknowledgement of the fact that the Chaldeans would be cut off from a historical Assyrian usage - the Sacrament of the Holy Leaven or Malka - not infrequently advanced to explain why there was not considered a need for an Institutional Narrative.

No Assyrian priest may bake Eucharistic Bread without adding Malka (Holy Leaven) to the mixture. Malka consists of a tiny amount of the last previously consecrated Eucharist and tradition holds that the use of Malka traces, unbroken, to a piece of the Eucharistic Bread reserved by the Apostle John at the Last Supper, passed on to Thomas (spiritual father to the Assyrian Church), and thence to Holy Addai and Mari.

Chaldeans lack this Eucharistic “starter” and will, until such time as union is achieved with their Sister Church.

Joe

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