I am starting this thread to prevent [thread=140615]When Does Traditionalism Cross the Line?[/thread] straying off topic, while exploring a single aspect of it. Viz:
One of the polled marks of Traditionalism is: “Do you kneel during the Agnus Dei? (read GIRM)”.
Having [post=2025995]read the GIRM[/post], and [post=2042528]having never noticed such practice[/post], I did not understand this. But [post=2044553]I can believe[/post] that there are those who would do so and for apparently traditional reasons.
What is it that makes kneeling during the Agnus Dei a traditional practice?
That is: Is it a traditional practice? I confess, it has been long enough since I have been to a TLM that I know not the rubrics, but I find this crib sheet from Una Voce America, which indicates kneeling from the Sanctus until Communion. Why would someone of traditional mind kneel during the Agnus Dei but not, say, during the Pater Noster?
In my experience, I have never noticed anyone attending a Mass according to the current Missal to kneel during the Agnus Dei nor do I know of any parishes/dioceses where this is the practice?
Holy Church does not in detail regulate the positions of laymen during the Eucharistic Sacrifice.
We are free to pray as we want if we are reverent and participate in offering the victim.
This can be see in the responses from the Roman Curia to questions about for example kneeling during communion.
I can’t see why you Americans are so conformist.
Finally! New material:
But the Church *does *regulate, at some level of detail, the posture of the faithful. Returning to the GIRM for the US, it says:
- The gestures and posture of the priest, the deacon, and the ministers, as well as those of the people, ought to contribute to making the entire celebration resplendent with beauty and noble simplicity, so that the true and full meaning of the different parts of the celebration is evident and that the participation of all is fostered. Therefore, attention should be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.
A common posture, to be observed by all participants, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered for the Sacred Liturgy: it both expresses and fosters the intention and spiritual attitude of the participants.
[And, in #43:]
The faithful kneel after the Agnus Dei unless the Diocesan Bishop determines otherwise.
While I am not aware of any *dubia / responsa *regarding this particular question, it would not surprise me if one would be similar to that regarding, eg, the reception of Communion kneeling.
So my answer to carl36’s question is: I think the default for all Catholics, American or otherwise, should be conformity to the GIRM. I just don’t know what would move me to do otherwise, no matter how reverently?