To be true to tradition let’s go way back in time the the early Church. The Fathers had a double mission to explain natural theology: God, soul, creation, inmortality, freedom of will and creation and the Christian faith: Christology, Trinity, Incarnation, etc. They had to prove their sublimity, beautiy, and defend the mystery of faith in conformity with reason. There is always going to be a certain degree of proof required in any theological exercise.
Philosophy or just the logic element of philosophy… structured reasoning and all that? I very much like your plan of action.
Personally, I prefer the Bonaventurian (Franciscan) approach to theology. While none of Bonaventure’s works are exclusively philosophical, his work Artium ad Theologiam, a short work where Bonaventure demonstrates the relationship between theology, the arts and philosophy is a great background for what you want to do and his masterpiece the commentary on the Sentences is probably one of the Catholic Church’s greatest resources in scholastic theoloogy, especially on Sacraments. Bonaventure deals with the tension between theology and philosophy, while at the same time he teaches us to make proper use of philosophy to express faith in a reasonable manner.
Yes. I would like to map out the connections I see and then present them here to develop their form.
Every cartographer needs a method. The scriptures are no exception. Otherwise, you’re all over the place. Which is one of the problems that we often have on these threads. If you want to map out the connections between the OT and NT on the question of transubstantiation, you need a method. You must ask the right questions and examine the appropriate resources.
You also asked if this would be good catechetical material. I don’t know. Religious education is way outside my sphere of intellectual and theological interest and training. I dare not make pronouncements on something that I know absolutely nothing about. I have only attended two classes in catechetics as a student of the faith and I have never trained in the field. I know it exists. From the two classes that I attended, which led me to refuse to set foot in one again, I can honesty and confidently say that it is a field for those who have the gift and knowledge. Unfortunately, I ran into a catechist who had neither. I believe that those who are trained in catechetics and religious education are in a better place to answer your questions regarding this possibility.
Yes, collaboration is what I am inviting. I will not set myself up as the arbiter of truth.
Theology has to reflect the Church. The Church transcends time, nations and groups. Therefore, theology cannot be done in a vacuum. It has to include many people, both alive and those who came before us, with a view of what those after us will find useful for their salvation.
I was thinking of exploring this bread of life parallel. Are you suggesting a larger undertaking of other biblical imagery and meaning?
It’s your thread. You lead. My only suggestion is to take on only that which you can handle and with which you are comfortable. As I said before, I would never take on catechetics. I don’t even visit that thread. I know nothing about it. I entered the Church through the back door, not the RCIA (thank God, because I would have gone nuts). You have to take on only that which allows you to explore what is of interest to you without driving you to Bedlam.
I really wouldn’t want to do this with out you.
Thank you for the compliment. I’m not sure how useful I can be, but I’ll hang in there as long as I can follow the thread.
The theme, if you will, of the Bread of Life is an interesting one, especially for a Jew like me. Because we do not look at the Exodus story from this perspective. Our focus is totally on the liberation from slavery and the establishment of Israel as a people. I think I would like to see how a craddle-Catholic develops this theme. I have a good understanding of the Eucharist as the NT presents it. The idea of mana as bread of life, is foreign to me, as a Jewish convert. In fact, Rabbinical scholars have always warned about the many Christian interpretations that have been given to this event. I have to admit, that many of these warnings have validity. Some of these interpretations stretch the limits of reason and history.
I’m not sure if any this helps or not. Keep what is good and throw out the rest, as St. Paul says.
OK, so I paraphrased him. Geez