Tridentine Mass

This post is about the Tridentine mass. I was wondering, for all those who prefer the Tridentine mass over the Novus Ordo mass, why this is. Could you give some explainations on your thoughts and why you feel the way you do about this topic. Please remember to keep this threat charitable. Thanks.

God Bless,
Matt

[quote=marty1818]This post is about the Tridentine mass. I was wondering, for all those who prefer the Tridentine mass over the Novus Ordo mass, why this is. Could you give some explainations on your thoughts and why you feel the way you do about this topic. Please remember to keep this threat charitable. Thanks.

God Bless,
Matt
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Here are my reasons:

  1. Gregorian Chant helps me focus on the mystery of the mass. Although Gregorain Chant can be used in the current mass and the current mass can be sung, most churches do not follow this.

  2. The priest faces the tabernacle most of time, this demonstrates who we are focusing on in mass. If the current mass is celebrated correctly, it can be very reverent (EWTN). However with the priest facing me and all of the responses, my focus sometimes gets lost. Although the current liturgy can be celebrated with the priest facing the tabernacle, this is not usually followed.

  3. There is no sign of peace. Although there is nothing theologically wrong with this, sometimes it turns the mass into a Hallmark commercial.

  4. Use of the altar rail. Although the altar rail can still be used, most churches seldom follow this. I find kneeling much more reverent towards the Blessed Sacrament.

  5. Use of the bells. Although the bells are supposed to be used, some churches again do not follow this. The use of the bells in the tower ringing durring the Gloria has been surpressed to the Paschal Tridiuum (Which many churches do not do). In my mind nothing demonstrates the power of the Gloria more, then the bells in the tower ringing.

  6. Use of incense. Incense is a pysical symbol of our prayers ascending to God. Again, although its use has not been surpressed, most churches do not use it, restricting it only to funerals. Luckily my pastor uses it on Solemn ocassions.

  7. Use of Latin. The use of Latin demonstrates what the word Catholic means. Although the current mass can be celebrated compleatly in Latin, again, most churches do not do this. Luckily at our high mass, we still sing the traditional Kyrie, Gloria, and Agnus Dei. I’m trying to get them to sing the Nicene Creed next.

That’s pretty much my preference. Note: all of the things I prefer at mass can be used in the current liturgy, but most do not do this. So until there’s a church by me that does this, I remain in my preference.

Boy, that does pretty much cover it. Bravo.

I would like to add the much greater reverence found at the TLM. I’ll admit, I’d love to find a so-called Novus Ordo Mass that has the behavior found at the TLM. After the TLM, I really feel that I’ve been to Mass.

First, I would like to echo the sentiments of my friends above…they pointed out some excellent reasons and I agree with them…Secondly though, I would like to point out we are beating a dead horse to death…this is like the gazzillionth post about the preference of the TLM over the NO or vice-versa.

[quote=cargopilot]Boy, that does pretty much cover it. Bravo.

I would like to add the much greater reverence found at the TLM. I’ll admit, I’d love to find a so-called Novus Ordo Mass that has the behavior found at the TLM. After the TLM, I really feel that I’ve been to Mass.
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saintcyrils.org

When in MI, Your dreams about the NO will be found here.

God Bless our Pastor!

What everybody said above. Additonally, for me the Tridendtine Mass is a continuous prayer. It has a structure and unity that is appealing to my sense of worship.

[quote=dumspirospero]Secondly though, I would like to point out we are beating a dead horse to death…this is like the gazzillionth post about the preference of the TLM over the NO or vice-versa.
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For those of us who are relatively new to this site, this is a new subject when compared to the old timers.:smiley:

I prefer the worshipful silence of the Traditional Mass, something that seems to be entirely absent from the new Mass. Helps me to clear my head and focus on the real reason I’m there, to worship God, without someone constantly yammering in my ear and trying to grab various of my body parts.

That said, I’m blessed to also have access to a new Mass said with reverence and dignity. God bless John Paul II for giving us the option of both Masses.

I prefer the worshipful silence of the Traditional Mass

That was the main attribute of the latin mass, the silence. The expectation that the people read aloud a rather large volume of prayers during the modern English mass is a medium to large burden particularly for those with language, reading,hearing or eyesight difficulties.

In my own opinion, the large amount of vocal participation from the people, was a greater change than the switch from Latin to English.

I also don’t have to watch people all over the place in the Orans position…which for some reason really gets under my skin.

[quote=Dr. Bombay]I prefer the worshipful silence of the Traditional Mass, something that seems to be entirely absent from the new Mass. Helps me to clear my head and focus on the real reason I’m there, to worship God, without someone constantly yammering in my ear and trying to grab various of my body parts.

That said, I’m blessed to also have access to a new Mass said with reverence and dignity. God bless John Paul II for giving us the option of both Masses.
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[quote=dumspirospero]I also don’t have to watch people all over the place in the Orans position…which for some reason really gets under my skin.
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Thank you, I forgot about that, I feel the same way.

I noticed an article in the Sacramento, CA paper about a new Tridentine parish that was recently started in an old Lutheran church in Sacramento. It described the community as made up of mostly home-schooling families in their 30’s and 40’s…not the old timers who missed the old ways. Everyone wore their modest Sunday clothes and the females wore veils. Only boys were servers. The communion railing was used. I go to Sacramento almost weekly for business reasons so I will check it out one of these days soon and report back. It said in the article that most people get to church 15 minutes early to get a seat. If I am lucky enough to squeeze in I’ll be happy to again experience memories of my childhood.

…not to butt in on this discusion - but ally, where in the Bay Area are you? Just to let you know - if you’re are interested in the TLM- there is one daily in Oakland at St. Margaret Mary’s.

There is a Novus Ordo parish in Milwaukee that I think is very reverent, very Marian, uses incense, bells, a wonderful choir which sings traditional hymns, altar rails, kneeling to receive the Eucharist, etc…

It is everything that I think the Novus Ordo was actually envisioned to be before innovative liturgists and lazy priests got their hands on it.

[quote=netmilsmom]saintcyrils.org

When in MI, Your dreams about the NO will be found here.

God Bless our Pastor!
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WOW! Is that that a beautiful Tabernacle I see prominantly displayed here? saintcyrils.org/schedule.htm

Oh my! Is that the Precious Body of Christ in a beautiful Monstrance, here? saintcyrils.org/devotions.htm

Unbelieveable! Does this REALLY say confessions 1/2 hour before EACH Mass AND 2 1/2 hours on Saturday, here? saintcyrils.org/sacraments.htm

You are blessed! I think you’ve found yourself in a little oasis. It’s no wonder your posts are what they are. We are in a desert, here…and it’s not just on the outside. Most folks here, don’t know any better, so you don’t miss what you don’t know. I’ve had the opportunity to travel, so I know what’s out there.

So tell me, has your parish always been this way, and how can we get ours up to speed? Or am I just gonna have to move to MI?

Pere, Oakland is North Bay Area and I’m in the far south. If any of you posters are ever in the Silicon Valley area of California and would like a truly religious experience I strongly recommend Our Lady of Peace in Santa Clara. It is located off hywy 101 and is very easy to find because there is a gigantic statue of Our Lady overlooking the freeway. It is also right next to Great America amusement park and a convention center so it is “tourist friendly”. They have had “perpetual” adoration for 30 years straight!! They also have a Latin mass on Saturday nights at 7:30. I am not sure if that means it is Tridentine??? I’m sure one of you will clarify that. Please check it out on the web. I have the address for the shrine but you can also click into other information on this site. www.olop-shrine.org

In Sacramento:
St Michael’s Roman Catholic Church
4524 Garfield Ave.
Carmichael, CA 95608

Masses offered only by Priests of the Society of St. Pius X

St Aloysius Camp/Retreat Center
19101 Bear Creek Road
Los Gatos, CA. 95030
408-354 7703

I just love St. Michael’s and the beautiful Tridentine Mass.

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  1. the TLM requires respect and reverance without asking.
  2. it is a ceremony, not a show
  3. ONE CAN UNDERSTAND THE MASS BETTER BECAUSE NO MATTER WHERE A CATHOLIC GOES IN THE WORLD IN THE LATIN RITE THE LAGUAGE OF THE MASS IS THE SAME UNLIKE WHAT THE SUPPORTERS OF THE NOVUS ORDO SAID WOULD BE BETTER.
  4. communion is NOT ALLOWED IN THE HAND.
  5. no altar girls
  6. silence
  7. the protestant reformers hated it
  8. CODIFIED BY A SAINT.
  9. The beautiful last Gospel
  10. knelling for communion
  11. Awesome music

Just Summarizing here.
Reasons for Preferring TLM:

Gregorian Chant
Priest faces tabernacle.
No sign of peace.
Altar rail.
Bells.
Incense
Latin
More reverence.
Silence
Minimal socialization among worshipers.
People don’t use orans posture.
It’s a liturgy, not a show.
Same language everywhere in the world.
No communion in the hand
No altar girls
Kneeling for communion.
The last gospel.

I don’t attend a TLM Mass, but these are pretty much all excellent reasons.

The odd thing is that most of them could be used in and applied to the current Mass, except perhaps the position of the priest and the last gospel. (Altar girls & kneeling for communion would require approval by the USCCB). My own (Novus Ordo) parish uses altar rails and the bells, incense on occasion, and Latin for parts of the Mass, and is generally pretty reverent. It sure wouldn’t hurt to work on using more of these things in the current Mass.

(Actually I think that the TLM does have a sign of peace, but not for the congregation.)

I have a much easier time focusing at the TLM, especially on the Real Presence. The new Mass was supposed to foster active participation, but it has the opposite effect for me. My mind tends to wander. I feel like I’m just waiting to receive Communion, but at the TLM I feel like everything is building up towards the pinnacle and it makes Communion all the more special. Time just flies at the TLM (and it’s usually longer than the regular Masses I go to).

It also just feels like I am being a part of something bigger than myself. It’s so different than the rest of the world, it just feels more ancient and sacred–it’s like an escape from the world for a little bit to just be with Christ. Not that the current form of the Mass is not sacred, it’s just the TLM’s sacredness really shines through with it’s more mystical feel I guess.

I also like how the priest faces the same way as the people. We all face Christ. I especially like how when He holds up the Host and Chalice at the consecration he holds them up to Christ on the Cross.

Finally, I love the chant during High Mass and the prayers after low Mass.

All of the above.

If the TLM was anymore mystical and Heavenly, my senses would just fail.

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