Tridentine Missal Question

If we want to have a priest say the Tridentine Mass and we have things like altar cards and westments etc… but no altar missal, is it okay to use a small missal like the Angelus Press Missal or any hand missal that has all propers, readings and ordinary in Latin?

By the way, this would apply to a situation after the Motu Proprio.

I assume it would be permissable.

I once read a blog post by Fr. Z where he said that he used his laptop when the Altar Missal “disappeared” from his chapel. I think this is when he was talking about an electronic Missal, which got me thinking about electronic Altar cards and screens built into the Altar… hmmm :hmmm:

Stop that trail of thought right there!!!

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No- because the Altar Missal contains instructions for the priest in Latin as per his actions- where to look and what to do- at every place in the Missal and also in the begining of the Missal- things he has to know beforehand and study.

If you need a 1962 Altar Missal you can get one very easilly-
catholictreasures.com/cartdescrip/11022.html.

Also the setup of the altar and Sanctuary is different- the candles are different- oh Lord… do they even have relics of the saints in the altars there anymore… so much has to be rolled back- no women in the sanctuary, correct number and types of altar linens on the altar. You had better get this book as well-
amazon.com/Ceremonies-Roman-Rite-Described/dp/B000K7MUW4/ref=sr_1_2/102-7494545-6610567?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182483731&sr=8-2 — when I bought that book on 2000 it was $50 and is now $150 due to the pending Moto Proprio I believe!

Ken

Now I dont know for sure, but from what I remember from serving growing up in a Novus ordo parish was a relic of a saint in the alter but not in the altar stone…

I think the requriment for Relic in the Altar still stands but im not sure as to the degree of relic required for mass on that altar

Someone told me, and I pray that this is not true, that when they “removed” (smashed) the old High Altar at the Cathedral here, nobody remembered to have the Altar stone removed beforehand :frowning:

Well that depends on whether or not the Priest knows what to do or not. If the Priest knows all the gestures by heart, then personally I don’t see a problem using a hand missal. In terms of antique hand missals, there is not problem in using a 1961 Missal since Rubricarum Instructum went into effect on 1 Jan 1961.

Also this 1962 Altar Missal is the cheapest I have seen. Also apparently according to the item description, UPS shipping is included already and it is fully insured.

I don’t know but I wouldn’t think so. The old Congregation of Rites had some strict rules regarding missals- only Latin, image of the cross or titular saint, even regarding the decoration, etc. Wehther those are in force still I don;t know. Also the missal has the prayers for the preparation of the priest. Moreover an altar missal has a stronger guarantee than a prayerbook (because the hand missal is an exalted prayerbook) as to accuracy, completeness etc [and the fact that no just anybody could publish one helped].

Technically the relics *can *be dispensed with by Papal dispensation as was the case with several countries (e.g. Ireland) until the last century (Benedict XV I think. Or maybe it was Pius XI). But perhaps since the 1961 books do have the provision for an antimension (also with permission) and its blessing they might employ that.

…of course a lot of relics have been trashed…

I get the impression from the original post that this isn’t necessarily the case. As someone else said earlier, the main difference between a hand missal (like the Angelus Press one mentioned above) and the altar missal is that the latter has reams of instructions for scenarios that the priest may only ever encounter once in his life, if at all. Some of the things covered in these extended instructions: what to do if the Precious Blood freezes in the chalice (this was apparently a problem in the middle ages); what to do if a bird grabs a consecrated host; instructions for how to continue and complete the Mass if the celebrating priest dies after the consecration and before the end of Mass; etc. These items are not in the hand missal, and for obvious reasons.

It’s been my observation at my indult parish that each priest has his own altar missal. Even visiting priests bring in their own missal before mass. I just assumed that each priest buys his own altar missal and maybe even makes notes in the margins for something that causes him problems, like a certain movement or pronunciation.

Ok… I have to ask now…

What DO you do in the (incredibly likely) event that a bird grabs a consecrated host?! :stuck_out_tongue:

Not exactly in De Defectibus ** but in such a case, the priest would first try and recover the Host (how I don’t know. Shoot the bird? Or maybe follow it to the nest) and then reserve It until It became corrupted, then dissolve it in water and put it in the sacrarium.

Either way, he would have have to do penance for his carelessness.

Now I’m not sure about the logistics of the bird snatching a host- wouldn’t that be a bit difficult since the Host is mostly laid on the corporal? .

** No. 7 is “If the consecrated Host should disappear, or some case, as wind, or a miracle, or it having been taken by some animal, and cannot be found; then another should be consecrated by beginning from that place: Who the day before He suffered, its offering first having been made, as above.”

Of, course, Protestants loved to mock the belief of transubstantiation in relation to animals running away with the host. One sarcastically wrote in the 16th century “the entrails must be drawn and a portion of the sacrament that there remianeth, if the priest be squeamish to receive it, must be reverently laid up in the tabernacle until it may naturally be consumed”

What if the bird was a Catholic?:smiley:

Not a shabby idea! New translations could be easily uploaded from the Vatican’s database. No more waiting for the translations to circulate. Well, I dunno, that kinda sounds Orwellian to me, but still neat lol.

But, I can easily see the benefits of something like that. I do have the entire 1962 missal on my PDA, in addition to the divine office (so much easier!), a DRB, latin vulgate, documents of VII and Trent, four catechisms, Rituale Romanun, Code of Canon Law, the summa, and a small library of Catholic works.

Oh yeah, and a few games hehe

Books have a long way to go before they’re obsolete, though. Even though I have it on my PDA, I still take my good ol’ Baronius missal to Church :slight_smile:

The only thing about using a hand missal, to me, is that it would be hard to read standing with it sitting on the altar.

There’s something timeless about a book…almost the same as Latin. It’s a connection to “that way it’s always been done…” I don’t know about the LED flatscreen Missal…

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