Valtiel]**Quote:**Fourth, they were rejected by the primitive Church (Eusebius: Hist., lib. Iv, c. 26).
The early Church did NOT reject the dueteros, that’s a fallacy, in fact the canon in its totality wasn’t cited first until 382 AD at the council of Rome.
The early Church for almost four hundred years grabbled with what was to be the canon. The deutero’s were in the septuagint/LXX which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew text. The early Church had essentially three groups which the Scriptures were cast.
- Accepted books e.g. all of the gospels
- Rejected or spurious books e.g. gospel of Thomas,gospel of Paul, and other gnostic books.
- Disputed books which included Hebrews, Revelation and others.
The point here is just because one early Church father rejected a book(s) doesn’t mean a hill of beans since they didn’t have the sole authority to decide the canon [only the magisterium in union with the pope did] and they were grappling with what was to be the totality of Scripture, so naturally differing areas favored certain books since they used them in their liturgies.
Jerome was a legate to pope Damasus and as far as him rejecting the duetero’s outright, well that’s false again. He didn’t favor them for sure, however at the behest of pope Damasus, Jerome translated the dueteros into Latin from the Greek as he did the Hebrew texts from the LXX, so what does that prove? It proves that Jerome was under the authority of the pope and didn’t have the sole authority to determine what was nor wasn’t Scripture and neither did any other early Church father by themselves.
Fifth, they were rejected from the canon of inspired Scripture by Jerome, Origen, Athanasius, Cyril, Hilary, Gregory Nazianzen, etc.
Again, so what?? One early Church father didn’t sola authority of the Catholic Church.**
Look to Origen he is quoting Deuterocanonical books, like Baruch 6, the books were called by differing names then but are the exact same as we have them today, this is what he said…
‘It should be stated that the canonical books, as the Hebrews have handed them down, are twenty-two; corresponding with the number of their letters.’ Farther on he says: ‘The twenty-two books of the Hebrews are the following: That which is called by us Genesis, but by the Hebrews, from the beginning of the book, Bresith, which means, ‘In the beginning’; Exodus, Welesmoth, that is, ‘These are the names’; Leviticus, Wikra, ‘And he called’; Numbers, Ammesphekodeim; Deuteronomy, Eleaddebareim, ’ These are the words’; Jesus, the son of Nave, Josoue ben Noun; Judges and Ruth, among them in one book, Saphateim; the First and Second of Kings, among them one, Samouel, that is, ‘The called of God’; the Third and Fourth of Kings in one, Wammelch David, that is, ‘The kingdom of David’; of the Chronicles, the First and Second in one, Dabreiamein, that is, ‘Records of days’; Esdras, First and Second in one, Ezra, that is, ‘An assistant’; the book of Psalms, Spharthelleim; the Proverbs of Solomon, Me-loth; Ecclesiastes, Koelth; the Song of Songs (not, as some suppose, Songs of Songs), Sir Hassirim; Isaiah, Jessia; Jeremiah, with Lamentations and the epistle in one, Jeremia[Baruch 6]; Daniel, Daniel; Ezekiel, Jezekiel; Job, Job; Esther, Esther. And besides these there are the Maccabees, which are entitled Sarbeth Sabanaiel." Origen, Canon of the Hebrews, Fragment in Eusebius’ Church History,6:25[A.D. 244],in NPNF2,I:272
Origen didn’t use the dueteros in defense of the Catholic faith against those who didn’t accept them in the first place but remember, no ONE early Church father had the authority to decide what was to be the canon. When I have time I’ll show you a quote or two from a well known Protestant theologian who admits Jerome was under the submission of pope Damasus, thus again giving evidence that Jerome wasn’t in the position of deciding.
And lastly, ask this person if they are so concerned about idividual early Church fathers, using them eisegetically, then why don’t they accept what they taught about the other “Catholic” doctrines?
Like the Eucharist, penance/confession, priesthood, apostolic succession, baptism, holy orders, the Mass, papacy et al.
So how do I rebutt this…