Troy pastor's AR-15 assault rifle giveaway creates controversy


Albany Times-Union:

Troy pastor’s AR-15 assault rifle giveaway creates controversy

The pastor of a Lansingburgh Baptist church plans to give away an AR-15 assault rifle to the winner of a free raffle at an upcoming Sunday service.

A provocative flier he distributed rallied supporters of gun rights and stirred controversy among anti-gun advocates and some who considered it un-Christian.

The Rev. John Koletas, pastor of Grace Baptist Church, said the service and gun raffle are aimed at “honoring hunters and gun owners who have been so viciously attacked by the antichristian socialist media and antichristian socialist politicians the last few years,” according to a letter he posted on the church website.

Koletas, who works as a Rensselaer County court reporter, said he wanted to show support for Second Amendment rights.

“I’m just trying to be a blessing and a help to the gun owners and the hunters and give away a free AR-15,” he said. “It’s the right thing to do.”

He said the constitutional right to own a gun should not be abridged, any more than First Amendment rights should be.


Couldn’t resist, but: :smiley:


This doesn’t surprise me. There are Evangelical radio and TV preachers prophesying that when Jesus returns he will use an AR-15.


More likely a Galil, I would think. Reminds me of the Beat Farmers song, “Gun sale at the church

“So we’ll ask the Lord to forgive us for all our sins,
and we’ll look at the latest in gold-plated firing pins” :rotfl:


As a Brit, I find this absolutely horrendous. Here, he’d be in prison faster that he could say “AR-15 assault rifle”.


I think it’s a cultural thing. :slight_smile:

Anyway, as an RPG fan, swords are more my thing (at least in theory), so it doesn’t bother me too much one way or another. It’s an interesting look at an issue that generates heated emotions in America, that’s all.

Personally, I think it’s inappropriate (and the charming young lady in my last post agrees!), but that’s just an opinion. :wink:


No problem here as firearms ownership is perfectly legal and a big part of our heritage. What I think is horrendous is your government charging people who have simply defended themselves from miscreants with having committed a crime. How do you feel about that?




I don’t find anything terrible about a gun giveaway in and of itself…but the pastor is getting politics and spirituality mixed up.

Being anti/pro-gun does not make anyone more or less Christian.

And now the secular world will judge Christians as being gun nuts because his action is getting media attention.

If he were Catholic, perhaps he would have had more discretion or seeked advice from an authority figure…


But I would never want to see a Catholic parish do such a thing – maybe a Catholic organisathion like the KofC.

I just thought the reportage was so slanted. “Controversial”, “provocative”, “un-Christian” were all in the lede.

Contrast with the coverage of the opening of a PP “women’s health center” (abortion clinic). Up top was the presrence of a rabbi, minister and 'catholic" priest to bless the clinic. Four or five paragraphs down the opposition of pro-life groups. At least they were described as pro-life but it’s made they’re a bunch of anti-woman naysayers.



I’m quite happy for people who have used undue force to defend themselves to be charged with whatever crime they have themselves committed. If they’ve had a weapon of any sort standing by “just in case”, they are putting themselves in a worrying position. We don’t want to get into the situation we see in the USA, I’m afraid. Guns are for one thing - killing. I want no part of that.

And in many cases, people who defend themselves against violence are not charged with anything.


I find this highly offensive.

The Ak-47 is a vastly superior weapons platform in terms of durability and penetration and would have been a much better prize.

Some people. :rolleyes:



What a very manly weapon that is!


Does the Mattel toy company make that one TOO? :slight_smile:


I agree, if I was in the market for such a weapon, I would go for a Yugoslavian or Polish AK47. I would never buy an american ‘knock off’ of such a gun! LOL

regarding the give away… I dont see any problem with it, give aways are legal, the AR is legal and has a cult like following with lots of people.


Plus he could have raffled off two AK’s for the price of that one AR!

Madness! :mad:


The more things change, the more they remain the same. Seems we had the same argument at the Battle of Concord in 1775. With all respect to our British friends, I’m quite happy those farmers had their firearms “standing by ‘just in case’”.



And just imagine how many more people those farmers could have killed with a bunch of AR’s instead of their silly muskets and pistols!

I bet you can kill about 10 people with an AR in the same amount of time as it takes to kill someone with a shotgun.

AR’s all the way!!!


One never wants to be in, or worse, **put in **the position of having to kill, for sure.
But, when in that position, to defend family from those intending to harm, or defend freedom from those intending to compromise it, …
That was the cause of the farmers in Concord. They were protecting their families and the arms needed to protect them.


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