Trying to understand why Church allows baptism for children raised by gay couples


#142

Why should I? I was baptized as an infant. I am fine right where I am.


#143

Yet you should not be expressing such heretical views here on a Catholic forum.


#144

I am pretty careful to indicate it is what I believe, not what I think everyone should believe, or that I think it is a Catholic. When I read posts, such as the ones in this thread, that I know to be completely against Church teaching (posted by people who hold themselves out as faithful Catholics) then I call that out. There is nothing heretical about that.


#145

Like what?


#146

Reread the thread if you aren’t sure. I already called it out.


#147

I suggest you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church section 289. It’s quite clear.
I hope for your own sake you aren’t receiving the Eucharist if you are in obstinate denial of a truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.


#148

Following ones’ conscience is not obstinate denial.

The Catholic Church offers some wonderful concepts when it comes to how we should live life, take care of one another, and love God. IIRC, the teaching is “once a Catholic, always a Catholic”.

We are expected to do the best we can in the best way we know how. That is how I try to live my life. I would hope all of us do.

I like coming to CAF because it allows me to interact with people who I assume have the same core values I do when it comes to how we should live, philosophically speaking. I don’t allow myself to get weighed down by the legalities of the religion. This may seem heretical to you, but I promise you I am a Catholic doing my very best.


#149

I think you should be careful about tossing around near-accusations. That was a serious offense in the old CAF, IIRC.


#150

The views. Not an ad hominem. In any event the member in question just denied the Sacrament of the Eucharist so, obviously not in communion with the Catholic Church. All clarified now.


#151

There are things in Catholicism that I don’t agree with, either. I will toe the line, and I’ll go along like I’m supposed to, and I won’t try to lead people away, but I nonetheless don’t always agree.


#152

Doesn’t heretical mean not Church teaching?


#153

I think there’s more to it.


#154

Perhaps in prudential judgement, but not something condemned by the Church.


#155

Catechism, 2089: “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.”


#156

Truths that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith include anything that is Catholic dogma, like the Sacraments. Like the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony.


#157

Well, those things I believe.

Other things, I question. I question the all-male clergy, for example. I decided that eating meat on a day of abstinence is not a mortal sin, for example. I don’t eat meat in Lenten Fridays but I don’t think it’s sin if you do.


#158

I thought it was only Nazi Germany or Communist China or North Korea that forced politically incorrect people to attend re-education camps. Now you say that the Roman Catholic Church has re-education camps for Catholic priests who are too conservative?


#159

As do all faithful Catholics. Cool. :sunglasses:
My understanding about Friday abstinence is that if we mess up, we should do some other mortification as a substitute. Or just confess it next time we make Reconciliation. Fasting rules are rather confusing these days, to me.


#160

Hmmm…I think he was being sarcastic. With perhaps a sly reference to the way that priest who burned the rainbow banner was subsequently treated.


#161

Okay.

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