Two Baptisms???


#1

As a Protestant I have always heard (and believed) the teaching that there are 3 different baptisms.

  1. Being baptized ‘spiritually’ into the Lord’s family when you become a Christian.
  2. Being baptized with water.
  3. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

The reason I didn’t name this thread “Three baptisms” is because I want to throw out number three for the sake of this particular discussion. So please…none of that for right now.

My question comes down to number 1 and number 2. In support of number 1 I have heard the following scriptures be used.

ROMANS 6:3
Know ye not , that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

1 COR 12:13
For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body…

1 PETER 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us, (not putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience twoard God,) by resurrection of Jesus Christ.

GAL 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ has put on Christ.

There are others too, I think, but I don’t want to get too spammy. I have heard these verses used to validate the theory of the first baptism I listed: that we are SPIRITUALLY baptized into the family of God and that the above verses are NOT talking about water baptism because, though water baptism is a good thing and there is Scripture to support it, it is not necessary for salvation.

I suppose my question is several fold and at first I was going to direct it mainly at the Protestants on this board since this is a Protestant line of thinking. But, if there are any Catholics or Orthodox here that can shed some light, please do. So here goes.

  1. Have you ever heard of this “3 Baptism” (or 2 baptism) theory?
  2. Exactly how did anyone decide that the above verses were NOT talking about water baptism?

Anyone with familiarity with this 3 Baptism thing and how it was decided which verse means water baptism and which verse means ‘spiritual’ baptism - please give your input. As you can see, I’m getting pretty suspicious of this ‘spiritual baptism’ thing. I need to read more about it, of course, but I would love to hear your thoughts.


#2

There is only one baptism as stated in ephesians4 vs 5. :confused: God Bless


#3

There is only one baptism as stated in ephesians4 vs 5. :confused: God Bless

EPHESIANS 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Okay. I’ve also heard that used as the ‘spiritual baptism’ that unites us all as one (in addition to the ones I’ve put in my first post.) You did not answer my first question on whether or not you have even heard of the Three (or Two) Baptisms Thingy. Can I assume you take this verse to mean water baptism??


#4

Baptism is a Sacrament. A Sacrament is an outward sign of an inward reality. There is only ONE baptism, it is both of water and spirit. When a Catholic is baptised we become part of Christs Church.

I have never heard of the 3 baptism theory, but all are contained in one. The idea that one speaks in tongues when baptised in the spirit is not a Catholic one. Certainly we receive the Holy Spirit, he dwells within us, however speaking in tongues is not necessary. Some Catholics who are in the Charesmatic movement do speak in tongues, but that is a small number. The Holy Spirit becomes present within us when we receive him at baptism.

Any mention of Baptism in scripture refers to this all encompassing view of baptism. The purpose of baptism is not simply water in any case, water does nothing, it is what Christ promised to do within us that is the essance of baptism.:slight_smile:


#5

The Catholic teaching regarding baptism does not come from the New Testament. Rather, the New Testament comes from the teaching of the Catholic Church.

The Church did not read the NT and decide what to teach. The Church’s doctrines came from the lips of the Apostles. The NT is a mirror of those teachings. The Church came first and produced the NT and formed the Bible, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, when she was nearly 400 years old.

The Catholic Church teaches that there is one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism, just as the NT says (Ephesians 4:5).

JMJ Jay


#6

Hmmm…I’m going to give it another coupla days or so. Because SURELY I can’t be the only person here who has heard that! :eek:


#7

Actually Curious you could be the only person here that has heard that. Three baptisms is not Catholic teaching and this is a Catholic web site.

The Catholic church teaches that there is but one baptism, not three.

When we say baptism you can assume that we mean what you call “water baptism”.


#8

BTW, Curious, we Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Episcopalians, and Lutherans all believe that Baptism is when we become Christians. Baptism is done for the foregiveness of sins, not after sins have already been forgiven, see Acts 2:38.


#9

I have heard of all these plus one not mentioned, Baptism of fire. I find myself confused on the how’s and why’s of these interpretations though. I think I’ll wait with you and see what other responses come up!:smiley:


#10

Actually Curious you could be the only person here that has heard that. Three baptisms is not Catholic teaching and this is a Catholic web site.

Yes but there are protestants who haunt these boards and if you’ll notice in my original post, I requested either protestants or catholics who know what the hey I’m talking about. In addition to there being Protestants here, there are also FORMER Protestants here. So, that’s why I didn’t think my chances of being alone in hearing this 3 baptisms thing were all THAT high.

Oh…and btw…the ‘fire baptism’ I’ve always heard as being part of the ‘baptism in the holy spirit.’

have heard of all these plus one not mentioned, Baptism of fire. I find myself confused on the how’s and why’s of these interpretations though. I think I’ll wait with you and see what other responses come up

YAY!!! I’m not ALONE!!! :smiley: Except you’re not supposed to wait with me…you’re supposed to answer all my questions in 10 words or less with absolute eloquence and to my utter satisfaction. (j/k)
Heh…I’m just happy somone else here has heard of it. I guess we’ll wait together then. :stuck_out_tongue:


#11

Hi Curious,

It is late and I am tired but I will try to throw in a short answer. Baptism and Confirmation are the linked Sacraments you might be thinking of. Water Baptism is joining Christ’s Church. This might be the “spiritual family” you reference. Catholics have a Sacrament of Confirmation that is often referred to as Baptism of The Holy Spirit, and by some referenced as a “Baptism of Fire.”

In the Latin Rite these Sacraments take place in two parts if the person enters the Church as an infant. I think in the Byzantine Rite they take place together. In the Latin Rite (Roman Rite) they can take place together if an adult enters the Church.

My husband entered the Church after being Baptized in a Protestant Baptism. He made a Profession of Faith and was Confirmed. Confirmation is “the laying on of hands” for “the descention of The Holy Spirit,” as in Acts.

BTW, one of the reasons he stopped being Protestant was because he kept being told that he was not a true Christian because he did not speak in tongues. He agreed with Catholicism that different people had different Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

There is still only one Baptism and that is by pouring or immersion in water.

Well, so much for being a short answer. I hope I was awake enough to make some sense.


#12

Curious, why not try to get your Q answered at a Protestant discussion board, where you’ll find thousands of different beliefs represented by the adherents of thousands of different denominations? You’re much more likely to find someone there that has heard of the three baptisms – or more! JMJ Jay


#13

Curious, why not try to get your Q answered at a Protestant discussion board, where you’ll find thousands of different beliefs represented by the adherents of thousands of different denominations? You’re much more likely to find someone there that has heard of the three baptisms – or more! JMJ Jay

Hmm…yes K you are probably right on that. The thought had crossed my mind…I guess I shouldn’t be lazy and should find one to answer my question. sigh That make take EFFORT! shudder :stuck_out_tongue:

The task will be finding a board that does not immediately start flaming me for such a thing, because I’ll essentially be traipsing on there with no introduction and throwing that at them. I don’t know if I have enough time to cultivate any significant interest in another board, as my schedule is busy already, so I hope they wouldn’t hate me for such an abrupt question. Bleh…you are probably right though. I’ll still keep an eye on this thread…I’ll watch, wait, and whine, but in the end I will probably have to go another board.


#14

:smiley: Okay. BTW, didjaknow that Katholikos (my screen name) is Greek for Catholic? More Catholic trivia for you. JMJ Jay


#15

[quote=SPOKENWORD]There is only one baptism as stated in ephesians4 vs 5. :confused: God Bless
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Better tell the ANA-Baptists before it’s too late!:eek:

Oh yea, some of my old Baptist churches used to re-baptize some people yearly too!:bigyikes:

So much for Scripture! Thank you Luther and self-miss-interpretation.:smiley:


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