U.S. Envoy: Aid to Israel Could Be Cut if Peace Talks Fail

U.S. Envoy: Aid to Israel Could Be Cut if Peace Talks Fail

Mideast envoy George Mitchell has threatened that the U.S. could freeze aid to Israel if the country fails to advance peace talks, YNetNews.com reported.
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Awesome job with your appointments, Obama. Why don’t we just hang Israel out to dry when the Palestinians don’t want to have peace. Way to threaten Israel but not the Palestinians.

In Christ,
Rand

Another shining moment. These guys need a lot, and I mean bunches and bunches, of prayer to help their brains think properly. On the other hand, I think Israel would just like the US to stop holding them back from blasting these guys.

There is no way the USA is going to stop supporting Israel. Obama is just picking up where the Bush administration left off, no policies have been changed.

It's about time!

America under Obama has made herself irrelevant to Middle East politics in general. Iran openly scoffs at the weak playeer that America has become, and Israel fully understands that America is no longer a reliable player that has any useful aid to give. America is more a millstone around the neck of Israel when it comes to self-defense. With an economy on the verge of bankruptcy, a president who kow-tows to Saudi royalty, no sense of moral purpose in terms of policy, America today offers no leadership to anyone, least of all the Israelis.

[quote="Darryl1958, post:5, topic:182478"]
America under Obama has made herself irrelevant to Middle East politics in general. Iran openly scoffs at the weak playeer that America has become, and Israel fully understands that America is no longer a reliable player that has any useful aid to give. America is more a millstone around the neck of Israel when it comes to self-defense. With an economy on the verge of bankruptcy, a president who kow-tows to Saudi royalty, no sense of moral purpose in terms of policy, America today offers no leadership to anyone, least of all the Israelis.

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And how is any of this different from what happened under George W. Bush? Bush walked, literally, hand-in-hand with Saudi royalty. Iran messed with US troops in Iraq while Bush was President and ignored all offers on the nuclear issue. I don't see a difference.

The USA has never been a 'reliable' player, it's always done whatever it feels is in its best interests regardless of what any of its allies/clients think. The Israelis weren't exactly happy about the Bush administration arming the Egyptians, the Saudis and the Jordanians with high-tech weaponary, yet they did it anyway. The Israelis wanted the USA to give them bunker busting missiles so they could effectively attack Iran's nuclear program, Bush said no.

And Israel is dependent on the USA to behave as it does now. Without American assistance Israel could not militarily dominate the region as it does, and it would have to fundamentally change the postures it's adopted at least since 1967.

IMHO, it's an empty threat, and Israel knows it. 2010 is an election year and the administration is in enough trouble as it is.

So it is your contention that the Obama administration is no different than the Bush administration then?

[quote="Darryl1958, post:9, topic:182478"]
So it is your contention that the Obama administration is no different than the Bush administration then?

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Depends on what you mean by that. In some ways yes, in some ways no. In terms of the Middle East the main players (Israel & Iran), for all practical purposes, ignored Bush and now they ignore Obama. So in this set of circumstances there is no difference.

[quote="NewEnglandPries, post:10, topic:182478"]
Depends on what you mean by that. In some ways yes, in some ways no. In terms of the Middle East the main players (Israel & Iran), for all practical purposes, ignored Bush and now they ignore Obama. So in this set of circumstances there is no difference.

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Under the Bush administration, there was a very real possibility of an attack on Iranian nuclear installations. Everybody was leery about such a possibility. Nobody takes that threat seriously at all and Iranian policy has turned from leery to openly derisive.

Israel was never in American pockets of course, but there were never any of the public rebukes to American officials that now occur either.

The main criticism against Bush from his opponents is that he and the neo-cons were scary, more dangerous than Ahmadinejad to world peace, according to many. As Katrina blew away Bush's legitimacy, and it became more apparent to all that Bush did not have the political capital to escalate, players became aware that they could afford to ignore the Bush administration without consequence.

That trend has escalated under Obama, from my point of view.

[quote="Darryl1958, post:11, topic:182478"]
Israel was never in American pockets of course, but there were never any of the public rebukes to American officials that now occur either.

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This isn't because of any change in American policy. This is because last February replaced the (relatively) centrist and (to the US) diplomatic government headed by Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni with a right to far-right coalition headed by Bibi Netanyahu and Avigdor Leiberman, who are two of the most undiplomatic and obnoxious politicians you're ever likely to come across. Any US administration, whether its Bush's or Obama's, is going to have problems getting along with the current Israeli government.

[quote="Darryl1958, post:11, topic:182478"]
Under the Bush administration, there was a very real possibility of an attack on Iranian nuclear installations. Everybody was leery about such a possibility. Nobody takes that threat seriously at all and Iranian policy has turned from leery to openly derisive.

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The Iranians were openly derisive before Obama. They strung Bush and the European powers along with promises of this and promises of that and all the while they did what they wanted. Heck they even began building a second secret plant during the Bush years. Yes they were more weary of an attack from Bush, yet they continued right on doing whatever they wanted anyways.

Not to mention they were openly helping those who were attacking US troops in Iraq while Bush was president.

Israel was never in American pockets of course, but there were never any of the public rebukes to American officials that now occur either.

Because now something is actually being asked of them. Israel is a victim and has rights to self-defense. However, Israel has also ignored pleas from the US to stop settlement expansion. Bush asked and they continued and Bush didn't hold them accountable. Obama asked and they continued so Obama is trying to force the issue a little.

The main criticism against Bush from his opponents is that he and the neo-cons were scary, more dangerous than Ahmadinejad to world peace, according to many.

According to who? While many in the world viewed Bush as a gun toting cowboy no leader in the West, Russia, or China thought he was more dangerous than Ahmadinejad.

As Katrina blew away Bush's legitimacy, and it became more apparent to all that Bush did not have the political capital to escalate, players became aware that they could afford to ignore the Bush administration without consequence.

Bush could have allowed the Israelis to militarily act but refused to give permission or the weapons.

That trend has escalated under Obama, from my point of view.

Indeed what has happened under Bush is continuing under Obama.

And what’s the rationale for indiscriminately giving aid to Israel? Their behavior isn’t exactly helping the USA abroad. American support of Israel is a big part of the reason why Arabs in general dislike America, and is a contributing factor for why America is attacked by terrorists.

How does America profit by helping Israel? I guess an ally in the region is gained, but there are already other allies in the region.

It just seems like it’s a one sided relationship, with the US investing a lot in Israel (I think it’s been about 100 billion since Israel’s beginning) and not getting a whole lot back.

The US supports Israel because it's the only stable ally in the region. Iran was once a strong ally of the US before the 1979 Revolution. Turkey was once a strong ally of the US until 2002 when once the country started becoming a real democracy an Islamic party was elected to power who since then and especially since their re-election in a landslide in 2007 have moved Turkey away from the US. Lebanon was and apparently still is considered a strong US ally despite the Hezbollah-led March 8th coalition coming close to winning elections last year (indeed they won 55% of the popular vote), and Washington is definitely getting wary about that. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan are also all big US allies, but only because they ruled by brutal dictatorships, and indeed Hosni Mubarak's defence for not having free elections in Egypt was "but then the Muslim Brotherhood would win!". Israel is the only country in that region where both the government and the population are happy to be a US client state, and so it gets greatly disproportionate support as compared to other 'US allies'.

There’s an argument to be made though that if the US cut ties with Israel the other Arab nations would be much friendlier. As it stands, Israel is creating so much tension in the region, and has been ever since it was made.

Its a shame to see how we have been treating Israel. Bush lost his credibility when he began to try to divide the land and create a palistinian state. It was when he began to do this that hurricane catrinia hit and bush lost his credibility. God's scriptures speak strongly against those who divide the land that he gave to his chosen people. He also says that He will curse those that curse His people Israel and He will bless those that bless Isreal.

If the nations that surround Israel who follow the teachings of mohammed were to have their way they would slaughter the jewish people and push Israel into the sea. It simply would not exist. They would also take over americia and destroy any who would not convert to the muslim faith. Those who are christians would be put to death if they did not convert to the muslim religion.

American policy in the middle east is driven by our dependance on oil. If it were not for oil in thease arab nations they would not be getting away with the things that they do. It is a shame to see nations like those arab nations who do nothing but buy weapons and attack others through the use of terrorism where a few have great wealth and the rest live in poverty. It is strange to see us condemming Israel when the palistinians are shooting rockets in ther land and sending suicide bombers in among them to kill innocent people. The land that was just given to the palistinians has only become a place to attack Israel from..

It is the arab nations that from which the attack came on us and killed so many innocent people on 911 They say they are our friends on one side and then support hatred against america on the other. Didnt you see the palistinians danceing in the street in celebration of the sucess of the attack of 911 on the news.  

It is not the jewish people who are killing americans It is people who are muslem and follow their religon in  these nations. We can call them extremists but they are the ones who are really practiceing their religon. Ben Laudin and those like him may be doing terrible things to others in the name of their religon but I have to hand it to him that at least he lives and practices his. Christians seem lacking in the area of really liveing what the bible teaches. Bin laudin seems to practice and live what the koran says. 

Bin Laudins dedication to his faith even though he is wrong should put us all to shame.
I wonder what it would be like if those who claim to know Christ had the same level of dedication to what the bible teaches as bin laudin does to the teachings of the koran
God will hold us responsible for our hypocracy even in the way we vote!

 If america turns against the jewish people and the nation of Israel God will turn against us. This is probably the only saving grace that we have left. America is no longer a christian nation in practice but only in name.

If we elect officials that are are against biblical principals like abortion and gay rights and that are against God.s chosen people Israel, then we are just as guilty as those who are doing thease things and might as well be doing it ourselves The Christians in this country need to wake up to this fact or they will soon fall prey to what they are voting for.

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