UK: Islamic Extremeists overtaking education system


#1

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646053/Officials-warned-hardline-Muslims-allegedly-trying-Birmingham-school-Trojan-Horse-style-plot-2008.html

Faith schools and secular education are once again a hot topic in Europe in light of this latest scandal which has been quietly simmering behind the scenes for coming on twenty years now.

While there has been a quiet contentment for non-faith schools to teach a broad religious education curriculum covering all of the worlds main faiths but not demanding adherence to any of them it has become increasingly apparent that some denominations are not content to accept this. There are multiple reports of teachers in secular schools with a large Islamic attendance being forced to don the veil and are obliged to hold gender divided classes as prescribed by the Qu’ran.

Now while this has lead to another uproar against Islam it has been noted that this is not a feature unique to Islam, there are reports of other denominations such as the Jehovas Witnesses demanding secular schools adhere to XXX Religions tenants of faith.

What are your thoughts regarding this issue? Catholicism for once isn’t really drawing any fire on this one, because (in Europe at least) it does not demand staff of Catholic Schools adhere to church teaching (it can ask nicely, but by law cannot insist or penalize for not doing so) nor does it demand imposition at Secular schools.


#2

Until the law is changed and redefined. It’s slowly infiltrating everything. When road blocks show up to the next milestone in the agenda such as laws, then they change them to continue it.


#3

Islam is going to walk all over secular Western Europe, including weak Churches that will not stand the Truth and compromise with mammon. I really wonder if I’m the only on here with the intestinal fortitude to come out and say it.


#4

secularists will not wake up until it’s too late. :frowning:


#5

Some of them know but just don’t care.

Scary thing is a lot of them don’t mind being oppressed (on paper anyway) as long the oppressor isn’t a straight, white Christian male.


#6

Pax Christi!

This! Exactly! You’re not the only one!

God bless.


#7

Anyone else notice the typo in the title? :rolleyes:

According to the Cambridge Dictionaries Online, the word is spelled extremist; there is no word “extremeist” in British English.

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/extremist?q=extremist
dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/british/?q=extremeist


#8

I’m not sure why secularists can not see the writing on the wall. This has been coming down the pipe for the last two decades in western Europe. They truly believe that if they can push that pesky Christian religion out of polite society they can have their secular utopia. Removing Christian morals and thought from society creates a void. All voids must be filled. Secular nothingness can not fill a void. Something must a will fill this void.

As a culture we murder our next generation in the womb to well below replacement rates. Islam immigrates and sets up in conclaves and has loves children. Not only that but it will not be long before some men take several wives. they will contest this in the courts and will win because of the SSM. It really is a no brainer. literally 3 to 4 generations can displace an entire countries population.

Coming to a city near you!

:thumbsup:


#9

Wow. This is really freaky. That said, I agree that Islam is going to walk all over Europe and that is very sad. I hope and pray that something can be done to stop it but I don’t see anything that could be done at this point. It seems like they are already well on their way to trying to turn Europe into an Islamist group of nations or nation.


#10

They will use democracy to gain control. The will of the people and all that comes along with it. This is why they move in conclaves. They take over an area in a city. Build a mosque. Then make life difficult for people living in the vicinity of the mosque until they sell. they vote in city councilors then federal members. they use the system. It really is just a matter of time before an area will get sharia law either enshrined or by fiat.

:eek:


#11

Without wishing to vehemently disagree with the general ideas on the thread, this situation is a very small teacup-sized storm in the general scheme of schools in the UK, many of which are still run by local CofE organizations which would be highly unwelcome places for extremist Muslims to set up shop. And this situation is not just being accepted, but is being investigated.


#12

Interesting. So basically they make sure that the majority of the population is Muslim so that way they can use democracy to their own advantage?


#13

I have no sympathy for these people, but at the same time I have to ask who’s speaking out against the radical secularists in the same education system who are poisoning and corrupting young minds ?


#14

I really do doubt the Muslims are going to suceed in the UK, with the seeming rise of the far right vehemently anti-Islamic UKIP and the current plans being put into place in Muslim dominated areas the muslims are not going to take over. If anything Europe (especially the UK and France) are under greater threat from self proclaimed fascists and the far right.

And yes, UKIP are fascists. I would suggest they are far greater a threat to Europe than Sharia law.


#15

I’m not sure if I’d put all my chips with Islam vs secular Europe, but I do agree that’s where the battle will be. Europe has chosen secularism over Christianity, and America with it’s fascination for Europe in the past decade seems to want to follow suite.

Unless I missed something, I’m not sure if there’s any relation whatsoever between secular/socialists and fundamental Islamic beliefs. Seems like it’s hot vs cold water, a clear clash in beliefs. The education system is a very key element. because that was one of the elements that shifted the influence of secular/leftists society from what was previously the Christian moral value system that was in place.

What’s kind of fascinating is when you look at history, it was Christendom that thwarted the spread of Islam in Europe, my guess is, it’ll either be the Europeans will head for the exit a leave, like some have done, or they’ll have a clash and widespread civil unrest will follow. I’m not sure if conservative Islam will break under the pressure like Christian conservationism did.


#16

Absolutely. They know they can’t fight First World democracies on the battlefield. Aside from joining Germany and Austria/Hungary in WWI, it’s been about 400 years since they’ve tried it by the sword.

There’s even a mandate among more conservative radical groups to populate the non-Muslim world and win the place over by demographics.

They’re trying it in Europe, Israel (which could actually soon cease to be a Jewish-majority state) and to some degree in North America.

They’ve really figured out how to use the clogged up Western bureaucracy to their advantage and are riding the PC wave all the way to the end.


#17

Unless I missed something, I’m not sure if there’s any relation whatsoever between secular/socialists and fundamental Islamic beliefs. Seems like it’s hot vs cold water, a clear clash in beliefs.

On the surface it does, but look deeper. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Who is that?

Judeo-Christian straight white men whom the socialists say the time is up for after 3000 years of rule and whom radical Muslims see as converts or corpses are the enemy.

The radicals will ally themselves with socialists and leftists to gain a foothold, and the leftists will ally themselves because they want to live the good, elite life and need a labor base, but if those two left in the end, radical Islam wins every time, because they have the belief, the youth and the motivation.

It’s the same sense as manifest destiny.

The education system is a very key element. because that was one of the elements that shifted the influence of secular/leftists society from what was previously the Christian moral value system that was in place.

The education system is making concessions to Islam left and right.

If sharia law were openly implemented, there would be lesbians with Ph D’s getting divorces and marrying Muslim sheiks as a third wife cleaning house and being the occasional sex toy.

What’s kind of fascinating is when you look at history, it was Christendom that thwarted the spread of Islam in Europe,

Ah, the Gates of Vienna. The 9-11 of the 17th Century. Literally.

my guess is, it’ll either be the Europeans will head for the exit a leave, like some have done, or they’ll have a clash and widespread civil unrest will follow.

[quote]I’m not sure if conservative Islam will break under the pressure like Christian conservationism did.

Conservative Islam isn’t under any pressure. In fact, it’s being encouraged and emboldened. Leftists make accommodations for it left and right.

You think separate swimming pool times for nuns who speak out against so-called gay “marriage”?

If you back the left into a corner over it ,you’ll likely get the following three responses:

  1. You’re a bigoted, racist islamophobe

  2. Immigrant children will automatically and inevitably adopt left-wing, progressive values because they grew up here (even if it is in an isolated enclave in a lost culture that can’t even respect itself) or because it was like on Star Trek or something.

  3. chuckles I won’t be around then.

The only rough patch are a bunch of angry atheists who make videos on the internet trashing all religion out of emotional spite-- and even then some of them will shut up when the death threats start rolling in.
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#18

How this all unfolds with all its dynamics is interesting, perhaps not so pleasant for all those who’ll have deal the the tensions that will only build as we go forward. You have to remember that whenever you get into any debate or difference of opinion with leftist,(secularist,feminist, atheists, progressive etc), you will always, always, always be labeled. After you’re properly labeled and classified like some sort of newly discovered organism, then they can use the rehashed arguments of their ideology that conforms with your label.

To me it’s way too early in the struggle to say conservative Islam is winning or will win the battle against the secular forces of Western society. A few decades ago, the moral right, conservative majority thought they ruled America, now they’re the ones flipping on themselves deciding whether or not to support gay marriage, and just trying to stay relevant in mainstream politics. That group has clearly lost. Fortunately for the Church, it did join that moral majority camp(not that they’d want Catholics anyways)

The secular governments in Europe will have their hands full with conservative and radical Islam. We only have to watch how France, Belgium and the UK deal with them . However it goes down, it will probably set the precedence. Time is not in the secularists hands, in a generation they just won’t have the numbers. Their own fault for their population control policies.

Not sure what the policy was for posting an external link to videos, but I watched one today that analyzes this secular vs Islam struggle perfectly, it really makes points that the secular/leftiists clearly are not seeing. Example. the secularists will try to apply the same methods to destroy Islam in their society the same way they did to Christians. The video points out why this will fail. You’re welcome to message me and I’ll just give you the link that way, so we stay within the rules

Hopefully for the Church, time will be its ally in regions like Europe. I think it’s going to be a while though, the secular social model must collapse on the heads of those individuals who lived , breathed and promoted it before things turn around, and order is restored, it would have to be a reverse social revolution.


#19

Europeans believed so much on its individualism and I think it will come back to haunt them sooner then we expected it to be.

This might be the way that God is trying to let them know, wake up.


#20

Yes, I just can’t figure out why Europe is so passive about this. Complete mystery to me. Literally have no idea. I guess it is just secularism (elevated to dogma it would seem), but how can you be so hands off in these kinds of situations? Maybe we’re turning a corner, since people are starting to talk about it. I remember hearing one time that sometimes women are worried about seeming impolite so they don’t cross the street from someone who is approaching and scaring them - and they get attacked. The point was, trust your intuition.

Also sometimes, I fear by being so tolerant and letting these kinds of excesses take place, this actually plays into the hands of bigots or fascists. If moderate, rational Brits would just wake up now and start taking measures to stop this, that will prevent much more hateful violent reaction futher down the road.

Am not in Europe, but there must be quite a lot of social pressure not to speak up about things like this. It’s weird.


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