Now that I’ve calmed down from that, I got on this forum last year and found myself in exactly the opposite situation, where others are claiming that I am scum and goofing things up by not being as good a Catholic intellectually as they are. Now I see how obnoxious I must have seemed to them. From my prior experience, I suppose I can guess how obnoxious people like me are to the “true blue” Catholics.
Whatever. She has a poor track record of instilling those morals in young people. Why should non-Catholics want to join us because of our wonderful faith and morals when virgins are in the minority among our Catholic high school seniors (I don’t know the exact numbers, but I get some pretty good recon reports from my kids.)
Maybe she is infallible in that she has books with stuff written in it that is God’s honest Truth. My real concern with my lifetime on earth is how do we get young people to quit fornicating and doing other things. The girls in Catholic high schools are perhaps only marginally less promiscuous than in a very “diverse” public high school one of my sons went to for two years. What good are faith and morals if they are all just intellectual exercise?
Let me give you some inside information about Catholic high school students. They find their many of their religion teachers encourage openly asking questions, but then they treat them in a condescending or dismissive way that they don’t ask any more questions. They roll their eyes and just talk among themselves and quit listening to authority. This teaches young people to lose respect more than some person who says they are struggling with some of the Church’s hard teachings but who is helpful to them and who will listen to their issues.
By their fruits shall ye know them, not by an analysis of their DNA. It is great that there are people who dedicate their lives to studying and preserving Church teachings. Somebody has to get out the front lines and feeding the fruit trees, and it sometimes pays to take some guidance from people who seem to be full of fertilizer. Remember the dishonest servant was praised by his master for being wise in worldly ways.
I suppose there’s a place for everybody.
Now “these people” pay for Church property and buildings, maintain and improve those buildings, perform social justice activities, run various parish organizations, bring in converts through RCIA, run the Knights organization, and many other things.
They do all these things with an imperfect knowledge of the teachings of the Church, and quite a few of them it really doesn’t bother that they don’t know all that stuff.
What would you have “those people” do?
Yes, it is the mission of the Church to nurture sinners along and help them heal. If they ever got perfected, then they don’t really need the Church anymore.
I have news for you. If we chased out everybody who was not in 100% Communion with the Church, there wouldn’t be any Church buildings anymore. It is all of us “marginal” Catholics, or shall I say heretics, who provide all the trappings for the “virtually perfect” Catholics to have their rituals.
If it makes you feel good, go ahead and praise God that you are like you and not like me. You would be sinning by doing so, in my opinion, but I’m sure you would know better than I would. I know I’m scum and a sinner and not a good Catholic, and sometimes I am more sorry about it than other times. I am finally strong enough in my own belief that I am just as precious to God as anyone else, no more and no less, that it doesn’t hurt me a bit.
Maybe it sounds like I’m saying I’m better than you. If it does, then go ahead and humble me. I’ll be listening and loving it.
Should it not be the goal of all who claim the name of Christian to align themselves with the truth?
The Church is a hospital and all who are sick should seek refuge in her care. But what of the medicine in this hospital?
If people refuse treatment what are we to do?
If people actively seek to subplant the medicine what do we do?
We are all sinners in need of repentance, and I am the greatest in need.
I am not saying that I or others who hold to the Church’s teaching are better than those who dissent, but that those who do dissent need to be honest with themselves as to why they dissent.
Ultimately, the issue is not about me or you or whoever. Ultimately, the issue is about authority and our willingness to accept it or reject it.
If one rejects it than one needs to be honest about it and not go about like nothings going on.
I am all for proper catechesis, but some will not even accept the truth after being instructed in it. In this case they need to be honest and follow their convictions.
The Church is voluntary. No one is forced to belong to her. If the call to fidelity cost us numbers, so be it. The truth is not about numbers, the truth stands on its own even if no one believes.