University alerts students to danger of leftwing essay


#41

Your obvious problem here is that you are splitting off the communists and giving them the mantle of socialists without including the National Socialists also as socialists.

Th Bolsheviks in Russia did the same thing with opposing socialists there. They just didn’t recognize them as such. (then they killed them).


#43

And being considered to be alien, stupid and brutish is different to being considered non white. Most tribes around the world have historically considered tribes around them as alien, stupid and brutish.

This has nothing to do with whiteness, which again is similar to the basic point I started with.


#44

If the German National Socialists were left than the people voting for them were left. This is the obvious bit you are missing (and not addressing).

All the rest was just childish posturing and i’ll stay out of that because you are obviously rattled as you always are when we have this historic talk. If you want to talk with me state facts and address facts presented to you.

Helping someone move house now.


#45

So, apart from Catholics, you’re saying that the entire voting population were ‘left’.

Awesome!


#46

From Wiki on the Nazis racial views about Slavs

Hitler’s conception of the Aryan Herrenvolk (“master race”) explicitly excluded the vast majority of Slavs, regarding the Slavs as having dangerous Jewish and Asiatic influences.[43][44] Because of this, the Nazis declared Slavs to be Untermenschen (subhumans).[43][45] Exceptions were made for a small percentage of Slavs who were seen by the Nazis to be descended from German settlers and therefore fit to be Germanised to be considered part of the Aryan folk or nation.[46] Hitler described Slavs as “a mass of born slaves who feel the need of a master”.[47] Hitler declared that because Slavs were subhumans that the Geneva Conventions were not applicable to them, and German soldiers in World War II were thus permitted to ignore the Geneva Conventions in regards to Slavs.[48] Hitler called Slavs “a rabbit family” meaning they were intrinsically idle and disorganized.[49] Nazi Germany’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels had media speak of Slavs as primitive animals who were from the Siberian tundra who were like a “dark wave of filth”.[50][51] The Nazi notion of Slavs being inferior non-Aryans was part of the agenda for creating Lebensraum (“living space”) for Germans and other Germanic people in eastern Europe that was initiated during World War II under Generalplan Ost : millions of Germans and other Germanic settlers would be moved into conquered territories of Eastern Europe, while the original Slavic inhabitants were to be annihilated, removed, or enslaved.[52]


#47

Could it involve an advocacy for a violent revolution? There have been right wing terrorists and there have been left wing terrorists.


#48

Good idea to stick to what I actually do say.


#49

Apropos of nothing, I’m reminded of J.R.R. Tolkien’s response to a question from a Berlin publisher in 1938, requesting that he certify his “Aryan” status:

Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by “arisch”. I am not of “Aryan” extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of “Jewish” origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject — which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.

Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my “Abstammung” .

I trust you will find this reply satisfactory, and

remain yours faithfully,

J. R. R. Tolkien


#50

I just gave a very real similarity. There are many others if you would like me to list them.


#51

I just gave a very real similarity. There are many others if you would like me to list them.

So you think there is no similarity between ethno-nationalism that upholds Germanic people, Anglo-Saxons and Nordic people as being superior racially, and ethno-nationalism that upholds a vaguer notion of white Europeans to be racially superior? It’s not even just that they’re similar in principle, which they clearly are, but they’re also literally derived from the same historical and intellectual traditions regarding racial science and European ethno-nationalism. Hitler is still an important figure symbolically for the vast majority of those who consider themselves to be White Nationalists, or some variation of that label. Why should I take your word over those other White Nationalists?

So despite rejecting the similarity I just outlined, you think that Marxist communism is more akin to Nazism than modern White ethno-nationalism because they may both have a vaguely similar concept of one group oppressing another (which is hardly absent from modern White Nationalism, or other political worldviews) and both use the term “socialism”, despite the fact that Hitler’s socialism was explicitly ethno-nationalistic?

I think you’re just a White Nationalist who doesn’t want to be associated with the monstrosities that the representatives of his movement unleashed on the world.


#52

This doesn’t logically follow from the statement of mine that you highlighted. I have already said that you can find similarity between an apple and a 10c piece. Having similarities is not wht is being discussed here. I have already said this.

…. see above.


#53

I find on the left that there a very strong tendency not to argue the case on the merits but to continually tell the other person what they are and what they think and then argue against that. Intellectually I think it is a very big backward step and one of the benefits for those who leave the prism of Leftism for the real world.

ok there are a few things here. The question of whether Hitler’s national socialism is closer to Marxism (as practiced) or white nationalism is an interesting one and we can discuss that. I am not aware where I actually made the claim. I did say that if we are looking for causes of Hitler’s socialism with respect to racial politics then the popular eugenics science of the day is more appropriate than the root of todays ‘white nationalism’.

I don’t think the question you pose makes much sense. Hitler’s brand of socialism was affected by Mussolini’s success, himself (with Gentile) strong socialists. All forms of socialism thought of themselves as Progressive in that they were leaving silly Christianity behind and building new societies through the state. All were very selective in who could be part of the state and all blamed a certain group for the ills of society and saw it as a just right for the state to redistribute (take) their stuff and give to the deserving masses they presented themselves as representing. All saw that the state could ultimately be used to imprison and wipe out these enemies of the people’. All talked in terms of social justice, strong secular states and historic injustices being put right by the state appropriating certain private wealth for the good of the so called collective. For the Russians it was economic class, for the Italians (the true fascists and less brutal than Russians or Germans) it was cultural ethnicity and for the Nazi’s their socialist state was for those of Aryan genetics. All of these are forms of government with redistributive economic policies. White nationalism of today is not a government or something that has economic policies or follows after socialist philosophies or free market philosophies or anything akin to economic policiy.

From what I can see it is based on two main ideas. One is the historic racism that historically all groups have exhibited and the other is a reaction to left wing policies and ‘education’ regarding race which adversely affect whites.


#54

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