University to ban Bibles

And the anti-Christian bigotry goes on:

**University to ban Bibles
**Wants 'students of all faiths feel at home’
Posted: October 21, 2005
5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Edinburgh University in Scotland will begin banning Holy Bibles from its student halls of residence due to concern they are the source of discrimination against students of other faiths.

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PF

What hypocrisy for Edinburgh University! Did they ban “Communist Manifesto”, “The Origin of the Species”, “The Descent of Man” and Little Red Book?

Interesting.

How is banning something of ONE group supposed to automatically “welcome” some OTHER group?

Wouldn’t the more intelligent procedure (gasp!) be to INCLUDE OTHER FAITHS’ BOOKS or, even MORE intelligent, to grasp the fact that a “Bible” is not a weapon of mass destruction but a book which contains words held sacred by many people? That having a Bible lying around is no more likely to incite violence, hatred, or “unwelcome” of any individual or group than leaving a Qu’ran, a Talmud, a copy of the Tao, Das Kapital, a freshman English textbook, TV guide, or Time magazine? In fact, probably it will incite LESS violence than people arguing over which TV program to watch, what Time says about President Bush, which English lit story is the MOST boring of all time, whether the US is an evil empire, whether Japanese or Chinese martial arts are cooler, or who is at fault in the Middle East–ALL of the above which would come out of people looking at those OTHER BOOKS!!

The university is not banning Bibles, they are simply no longer allowing Gideons to place Bibles in the school’s dorms.

A Gideon Bible is traditionally placed in the room of all new students, and there are currently about 2,000 bibles in the Pollock Halls campus near Holyrood Park. Gideons International has handed out 63 million Bibles worldwide in places such as hotels, prisons and hospitals.

I had a feeling there was a more logical explanation.

I get stupid reactionary emails sent to me all the time from American Family Association and other such extremist groups on the right. They’re great for turning a phrase…Gideons is stopped now becomes in their minds and emails as “Bibles BANNED by Universities” I’ve sent so many emails for them to cease and desist it aint funny. Radical right is as bad as radical left to me.

[quote=JJ. Micelli] Radical right is as bad as radical left to me.
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The radical left destroyed over 50,000 Christian churches in the Soviet Union. The radical left dynamited over 5,000 Buddhist monasteries off hillsides in Tibet. The radical left virtually exterminated the Buddhist priesthood in Cambodia. E. Yaroslavski and his League of Militant Atheists provided the setting for the Holodomor. Lenin, Zinoviev, Trotsky, Bela Kun, Stalin, Kaganovitch,Matyas Rakosi, Anna Pauka, Jakob Berman, Fidel Castro, Che and other leftists murdered millions of Christians because they were Christians. Mao and Pol Pot murdered millions of Buddhists and some Christians because they were Buddhist and Christian.

There is no moral equilivancy between the radical left and the so called radical right (a term used by Norman Lear’s “People for the American Way”). You don’t see Christians in court everyday of the week trying to prevent atheists from preaching their philosophy. You don’t see the liberal media bashing secularists as it bashes Christians. The 20th century was a charnel house because of the radical left. To compare the acts of any Christian group to what the radical left has done since 1917 is absurd.

Yes, Christians become concerned when Bibles are banned. Considering recent history they have reason to be concerned it won’t stop with just Gideon Bibles not being allowed at a University.

My main question is:

Will they ban other groups from distributing their books?

If not the next question is:

Why?

[quote=David_Paul]The radical left destroyed over 50,000 Christian churches in the Soviet Union. The radical left dynamited over 5,000 Buddhist monasteries off hillsides in Tibet. The radical left virtually exterminated the Buddhist priesthood in Cambodia. E. Yaroslavski and his League of Militant Atheists provided the setting for the Holodomor. Lenin, Zinoviev, Trotsky, Bela Kun, Stalin, Kaganovitch,Matyas Rakosi, Anna Pauka, Jakob Berman, Fidel Castro, Che and other leftists murdered millions of Christians because they were Christians. Mao and Pol Pot murdered millions of Buddhists and some Christians because they were Buddhist and Christian.

There is no moral equilivancy between the radical left and the so called radical right (a term used by Norman Lear’s “People for the American Way”). You don’t see Christians in court everyday of the week trying to prevent atheists from preaching their philosophy. You don’t see the liberal media bashing secularists as it bashes Christians. The 20th century was a charnel house because of the radical left. To compare the acts of any Christian group to what the radical left has done since 1917 is absurd.

Yes, Christians become concerned when Bibles are banned. Considering recent history they have reason to be concerned it won’t stop with just Gideon Bibles not being allowed at a University.
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You hit the nail on the head. This is only the first step.

PF

To truly understand the two terms as you define them, the communist dictatorships of the left have their equivalency in the fascist dictatorships of the right. However, I don’t think that she had in mind these two groups when she brought up the radical left and right.

Some people really should read the whole article.

  1. The proposal is from the Students Union, although the article says the university will follow the reccommendations of the union that is not always the case.

  2. Look at what happened in Stirling, not a million miles awy from Edinburgh.

On the other hand, Stirling University was forced to stop plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from the campus after a huge protest from Christian students. The university came to the compromise of inviting all faiths to place their holy books on campus.

Didn’t here much praise for this move!!

Isn´t it a joke? this is fascism and marxism united. Very sad to see.

[quote=abcdefg]What hypocrisy for Edinburgh University! Did they ban “Communist Manifesto”, “The Origin of the Species”, “The Descent of Man” and Little Red Book?
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They are not banning the Bible. They are stopping the Gideons from putting the Bible in every dorm room. I don’t think that there is a Communist Manifesto in every dorm room.

If you allow Christians to put Bibles in the dorms, then do you also allow satanists to put whatever book is holy to them there as well?

[quote=st.jerome]To truly understand the two terms as you define them, the communist dictatorships of the left have their equivalency in the fascist dictatorships of the right.
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Brief hijack: Fascism is not a rightist ideology. It is a form of socialism distinguished from communism by its emphasis on nationalism rather than internationalism.

– Mark L. Chance.

This is what happens in a country that does not have a Constitution.To protect individual rights.

[quote=JOHNYJ]This is what happens in a country that does not have a Constitution.To protect individual rights.
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No… it’s what happens when people EXERCISE their individual rights. As said very clearly by an earlier poster they are NOT banning the bible, they are simply saying the Gideon may no longer be freely distributed in all dormatories.

If you argue that Gideon should have the right to place bibles in every room then also the Koran, the Torah and any other book percieved by some to be religious should also be placed in the rooms. I have a feeling there wouldn’t be much room for the student.

[quote=mlchance]Brief hijack: Fascism is not a rightist ideology. It is a form of socialism distinguished from communism by its emphasis on nationalism rather than internationalism.
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This is a gross (and incorrect) simplification. While fascism borrows some of the statist ideas of socialism, it shuns almost everything else to do with socialism.

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

for a discussion on the place of fascism on the political spectrum. While not an easy question, as in many ways it transcends left/right, scholarly opinion places it more on the right than on the left.

As an example, remember that the only party to vote against Hitlers Enabling Act of 1933 were the actual socialists.

Mike

If you like, you can quote battles between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. however it proves nothing. there’re ideological enemies and natural enemies.
Fight between communism and NAZI is more of a struggle for power than for ideology. Can you say which side isn’t communism in the 3rd indochina war between China and Vietnam?

[quote=abcdefg]If you like, you can quote battles between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. however it proves nothing. there’re ideological enemies and natural enemies.
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I suggest reading Otto Wels’ speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933. This wasn’t just some ideological schism between leftists. Also remember that it was the conservatives who wanted Hitler in power as they thought they could manipulate him.

Fight between communism and NAZI is more of a struggle for power than for ideology. Can you say which side isn’t communism in the 3rd indochina war between China and Vietnam?

No. So? The fact that some battles are about one thing doesn’t mean all battles are about that thing.

Mike

*"On the other hand, Stirling University was forced to stop plans to remove 6,000 Bibles from the campus after a huge protest from Christian students. The university came to the compromise of inviting all faiths to place their holy books on campus.

An Edinburgh University spokesman says the university will make a final decision later but will take the wishes of the student body into account:"*

Perhaps Edinburgh University should consider doing the same thing (inviting all faiths to place their holy books on campus).

Why can’t people bring their own Bibles if they want them? There is nobody trying to stop people from having Bibles in their rooms. I don’t see what the big hoo-ha is about. If I want to read a Bible, I would like to read the version that I prefer.

It would make more sense for a university to provide dictionaries or copies of a thesauraus, but they aren’t doing that either.

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