Vatican backs teaching Islam in public schools?


#1

msnbc.msn.com/id/11743009/from/RS.5/

I’m confused about this, Christians are brutalized in Muslim countries, Christians converting Muslims in Saudi Arabia can be put to death. But now in Rome itself they will allow the teaching of the Koran in public schools. Why does the Church give in and toe the line with this political correctness? When will they realize that this is the reason why there’s two full generations of dissaffected wayward Catholics? This is depressing, they should’ve stood their ground.

“Religious tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims are rare in Italy, although there have been some calls by Muslims and lay groups to remove crosses from public schools, hospitals and courtrooms.” (from the article)

That is how reciprocity will be returned, Catholicism will be forced out, and Islam will forced in. Islam is attempting to take over Europe again. They’re not far from taking over France and England, but my God please not Italy.


#2

Italy is a secular country and Saudi Arabia is not.


#3

[quote=Mike_D30]msnbc.msn.com/id/11743009/from/RS.5/

I’m confused about this, Christians are brutalized in Muslim countries, Christians converting Muslims in Saudi Arabia can be put to death. But now in Rome itself they will allow the teaching of the Koran in public schools. Why does the Church give in and toe the line with this political correctness? When will they realize that this is the reason why there’s two full generations of dissaffected wayward Catholics? This is depressing, they should’ve stood their ground.

“Religious tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims are rare in Italy, although there have been some calls by Muslims and lay groups to remove crosses from public schools, hospitals and courtrooms.” (from the article)

That is how reciprocity will be returned, Catholicism will be forced out, and Islam will forced in. Islam is attempting to take over Europe again. They’re not far from taking over France and England, but my God please not Italy.
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Picture burning your candle at both ends and not getting burnt.


#4

[quote=Mike_D30]msnbc.msn.com/id/11743009/from/RS.5/

I’m confused about this, Christians are brutalized in Muslim countries, Christians converting Muslims in Saudi Arabia can be put to death. But now in Rome itself they will allow the teaching of the Koran in public schools. Why does the Church give in and toe the line with this political correctness? When will they realize that this is the reason why there’s two full generations of dissaffected wayward Catholics? This is depressing, they should’ve stood their ground.

“Religious tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims are rare in Italy, although there have been some calls by Muslims and lay groups to remove crosses from public schools, hospitals and courtrooms.” (from the article)

That is how reciprocity will be returned, Catholicism will be forced out, and Islam will forced in. Islam is attempting to take over Europe again. They’re not far from taking over France and England, but my God please not Italy.
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Another thought is that Muslim countries are takers not givers. Its a win win situation for the Muslims and the quicker the west wakes up to this fact the better.


#5

I want to make it clear that I am a big proponent of dialougue with Muslims, and respecting peoples beliefs. But lets not be kid ourselves, the goal of Islam is to convert the world to Islam. The Koran or the sword. Dialougue O.K., appeasement??? Incredibly dangerous.

I would say my views are right in line with Catholic.com:

catholic.com/library/endless_jihad.asp

God Bless


#6

I do not know if my :twocents: will be worth anything on this thread, but for them to request crosses being removed bugs me.
Seems to me, that certain muslim groups simply want Christianity gone. They will never be able to force people to convert. It is deeply troublesome to think that they’d use the sword if people
do not convert. The muslims I know where we live would never even think of doing something like that. They do not protest about
crosses, or Christian beliefs here, we have a very large muslim
population where we live. We also have a very large sikh community, as well as buddhists and hindus. conflict here is unheard of. I hope it stays that way! Doesn’t mean we are blind
to the way things are in the world, or think that it cannot happen here. It can. I just find all of this troublesome about forcing people
to believe something they cannot and will not believe.


#7

I don’t understand why anyone would be upset about this. The article specifically says that the Cardinal supports allowing Muslim students (not Catholic students) to study the Koran in Italian public schools, just as Catholic students study the bible in Italian public schools.


#8

I learned Islam in Junior High, then I went to catholic high school after found out they do not provide any other religion’s teacher in school.lol… well it was good to know about Islam. Most of the teacher always insult other religions not only Christianity, my Islam teacher even told us that buddhism mean worshipping stone :stuck_out_tongue:


#9

exactly my sentiments. They Muslim student shouldnt be prevented from studying his Quran any more than the Jew should be barred from studying Talmud nor the Hindu from studying the Upainshaids.


#10

[quote=PaulDupre]I don’t understand why anyone would be upset about this. The article specifically says that the Cardinal supports allowing Muslim students (not Catholic students) to study the Koran in Italian public schools, just as Catholic students study the bible in Italian public schools.
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I think that there is a general concern for the rapid increase of the Muslim populations in Italy especially in the last 5 years. It is the fastest growing religion in Italy right now. Immigration and large families are pushing up the figures.


#11

Vatican should be more open to see the reality about Islam. Sooner or later, this religion will take over the world and Italy(read Vatican) is one of their ‘dream’ to be defeated :smiley: . However to forbid Islamic teaching in public school is impossible (for those who believe freedom :smiley: ) unless we prevent our children with good knowledge about Catholic and other religions especially Islam.


#12

[quote=Shadowcry]Italy is a secular country and Saudi Arabia is not.
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So because Italy is a secular country you are for Islamic instructions in public schools? However, Christians cannot even bring in their rosaries inside Saudi Arabia? Christians are being killed for their faith by muslims and all you can say is that Italy is a secular country and Saudi arabia is not! I know that you are muslim and you are for Islam being taught in public schools. But remember, a secular country must not ESTABLISH any religion.


#13

[quote=cleobanzj]So because Italy is a secular country you are for Islamic instructions in public schools? However, Christians cannot even bring in their rosaries inside Saudi Arabia? Christians are being killed for their faith by muslims and all you can say is that Italy is a secular country and Saudi arabia is not! I know that you are muslim and you are for Islam being taught in public schools. But remember, a secular country must not ESTABLISH any religion.
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well… thats Islam. :stuck_out_tongue:


#14

[quote=StMarkEofE]I think that there is a general concern for the rapid increase of the Muslim populations in Italy especially in the last 5 years. It is the fastest growing religion in Italy right now. Immigration and large families are pushing up the figures.
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Agreed, but that is a completely separate issue from the OP. If a nation wants to limit immigration of certain people, fine. But once you’ve let them in, you must give them the same rights as everyone else. In Italy, that means letting Muslim children study the Koran just as Catholic children study the bible.

Grace to you,
Paul


#15

[quote=Mike_D30]msnbc.msn.com/id/11743009/from/RS.5/

I’m confused about this, Christians are brutalized in Muslim countries, Christians converting Muslims in Saudi Arabia can be put to death. But now in Rome itself they will allow the teaching of the Koran in public schools. Why does the Church give in and toe the line with this political correctness? When will they realize that this is the reason why there’s two full generations of dissaffected wayward Catholics? This is depressing, they should’ve stood their ground.

“Religious tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims are rare in Italy, although there have been some calls by Muslims and lay groups to remove crosses from public schools, hospitals and courtrooms.” (from the article)

That is how reciprocity will be returned, Catholicism will be forced out, and Islam will forced in. Islam is attempting to take over Europe again. They’re not far from taking over France and England, but my God please not Italy.
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The Vatican is just following the teachings of Jesus. They are being open loving to all regardless. To understand and create dialogue, a faith it has to be understood to prevent bias and ignorance.

It has nothing to do with political correctness. I have noticed it here that people are often ignorant of the Islamic faith and biased decisions based on media exposure and 9/11. People need to understand other’s beleifs before they can even attempt to try and share the truth with them, so they can maturely discuss what they beleive in, and maybe show the other the way by loving calm conversation.


#16

[quote=BryPGuy89]The Vatican is just following the teachings of Jesus. They are being open loving to all regardless. To understand and create dialogue, a faith it has to be understood to prevent bias and ignorance.

It has nothing to do with political correctness. I have noticed it here that people are often ignorant of the Islamic faith and biased decisions based on media exposure and 9/11. People need to understand other’s beleifs before they can even attempt to try and share the truth with them, so they can maturely discuss what they beleive in, and maybe show the other the way by loving calm conversation.
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I think it’s appeasement, and it’s very dangerous. Look up your facts preaching the Gospel in Saudi Arabia, or converting a Muslim to Christianity will get you killed. I admire your request for dialougue, which is great. But you are going beyond dialougue and talking about appeasemnt, of which there is no reciprocity from the other side. What is the point of dialogue and ‘udnerstanding’ the other side, if the other side wants essentially nothingto do with understanding you? You may not think that’s the way it is, but that’s the way it is.

I am not ignorant of Islam, I have read the Koran almost cover to cover in the five years I was away from the Church. I’ve also read the Book of Mormon, I was curious, I’ve also read a lot of apologetics from both sides. And there are many great things about Islam and Muslims, this is not what this post is about. It’s about appeasement which makes no sense at all, if you look at the state of Christianity and Catholicism in the past 50 years. Christianity should standing its ground more, and not appeasing a group for political correctness.

I will agree to disagree, I think the path Christianity is on is very dangerous. Apeasement and Islam does not lead to good things.


#17

[quote=BryPGuy89]. People need to understand other’s beleifs before they can even attempt to try and share the truth with them, so they can maturely discuss what they beleive in, and maybe show the other the way by loving calm conversation.
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This is my understanding:

Muslims have been trying to conquer and convert anyone at a sword’s distance for the better part of 1300 years. Muslims only have loving and calm conversations when they are at a position of disadvantage. When a Christian maturely discusses what they believe to a Muslim in a Muslim country, that Christian usually has bad stuff happen to him/her.Converting a Muslim in a Muslim country means you die, according to Islamic precepts. Converting a Muslim in a secular country is politically incorrect, according to liberal/socialist precepts and likely to bring about riots in Islamic communities/nations…

I want to know where I am wrong so please inform me. If I am right, I want to know how a mature discussion is possible. Doesn’t mature discussion imply that both/all sides are mature?

The only way that truth at this point can be shared is to slam the doors on errors and lies. Islamic teaching is not accomadating. They think they are right and the Koran is right. Is it right to kill all unbelievers? Is it right to make Christian and Jews second-class citizens?

Is it right to teach such things?


#18

i agree with most of the posts…dialogue ok…but sacrificing our cultures and lands ? a big NO. Muslims have an agenda…the whole world must either convert or be subjugated whether you like it or not, thats their plan…so BECAUSE we know this, we must stop it…not because we are intolerant, but because we know the consequences…better safe than too late. Islam is not only a “religion” but an ideology.


#19

You got it right, inJESUS bro, Many people knows nothing about Islam agenda. Blindly defend them, give them opportunities in their new country, speak and protest whatever they want as they couldnt do that in their homeland, but once they become majority then what happen is what onesimplemind explained. Like I always say, being politically correct is good. But being factually correct is better.


#20

[quote=Cyber Knight]You got it right, inJESUS bro, Many people knows nothing about Islam agenda. Blindly defend them, give them opportunities in their new country, speak and protest whatever they want as they couldnt do that in their homeland, but once they become majority then what happen is what onesimplemind explained. Like I always say, being politically correct is good. But being factually correct is better.
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During an official meeting on Islamic-Christian dialogue, an authoritative Muslim person, speaking to the Christians participating, at one point said very calmly and assuredly: **“Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to your religious laws we will dominate you…” **

During another Islamic-Christian meeting, always organized by Christians, a Christian participant publically asked the Muslims present why they had not organized at least one meeting of this kind. The Muslim authority present answered in the following words: “Why should we? You have nothing to teach us and we have nothing to learn.” A dialogue between deaf persons? It is a fact that terms such as “dialogue”, “justice”, “reciprocity”, or concepts such as “rights of man” and “democracy” have a completely different meaning for Muslims than for us. But I believe that by now this is recognized and admitted by all.

catholiceducation.org/articles/politics/pg0056.html

Vickie


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