[quote=Antigen]Are you really surprised by the Church’s stance on this? Pah-lease! The Church has been nothing if not consistant on issues of life from conception to natural death.
She has also consistently whined about people leaving the Church ever since the Reformation. Then she blames the sheep. Then she says, “well, we don’t want them anyway because their sin is worse than any of ours. Get them out of the house before those wretched sinners track mud on the carpet.”
Which is it? Does she want to pare down membership to those with a certain “saintly index” or “saintly propensity” or “calculated potential?” How is that not akin to abortion, albeit in the spiritual realm. I did not ask to become a Catholic, frankly, and right now I’m working at being a good one. Meanwhile if you growl at me and tell me I’m not worthy to sit at the table because I Don’t Think Exactly Like You, then you’re the one with a problem, not me. His Holiness can make it official by telling me I’m not a “good” Catholic and you know how much that makes me want to drop my defenses and let this man’s word be as if God himself were speaking to me? Zip.
When I hear someone say “baaaaad sheep,” it just doesn’t sound like my master’s voice. My master calls me a friend, not a slave.
I tell a dog it is “good” or “bad” based on its behavior, because that’s how you train a dog. I never tell my children they are “good” or “bad” because they resist me or make mistakes. That means their value to me is based on their current behavior. I might say, “I’m angry with you for doing that,” but I never say, “Andrew, you are a bad boy for doing that.” I will not prophesy that my children are anything but good and precious gifts from God no matter how they misbehave.
Do you remember the story in the bible about the loose woman who washed the Lord’s feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. Jesus did not say, “don’t worry about, I know you have a heart of gold…” Jesus very lovingly told her, “Go, your sins are forgiven. SIN NO MORE.”
What bible version are you using? I think you’re using an example that’s supposed to support my side, not yours. I just checked and neither the NAB or the Douay-Rheims mentions anything about Christ admonishing her. I guess you have convinced me that there is nothing that says that You Must Admonish The Sinner In All Cases, or do we just assume that Jesus must have said it because we know He wanted to?
Here’s what Christ actually said, in the Douay-Rheims version:
48, 50: And he said to her: Thy sins are forgiven thee. And he said to the woman: Thy faith hath made thee safe, go in peace.
48, 50: He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” But he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Thank you for the supporting reference.
Did anyone tell you the story of Pharoah killing all the boy babies so he could kill the one promised to deliver the people of God. Or how about King Saul chasing David in the deserts? Ever hear of the passion of Christ, the Son of God? How about ebay trying to sell consecrated hosts? Human history is repleat with examples of man treating the sacred with less than the respect that the sacred deserves.
Whatever. By now you’d think you’d get used to it and not live your life in anxiety. Have perfect peace through the storms. God’s not incapable of using imperfect people in your life to minister to some of your needs, or to test you in your faith. If these tests get you upset and anxious, then you need to learn how to stay calm and surrender to the fact that you do not have control over everybody else’s mind.
- It’s not about Jesus needing our protection, it’s about us needing to be moral people who would protect the sacred if it was within our power.
Yes, just like they would keep the lowly children away from Christ, or tell Christ he should let the woman touch Him, or murmur that he dines with sinners and tax collectors, or cut off the ear. These things were all done with good intent to preserve the sacred, but Christ said they were all in error. Now that Christ isn’t here anymore to correct us, we go back to protecting Him from any contact with certain types of sinners.
- We are not protecting the sacred from “improper political views” but from someone who cares so little about the sacred, that life itself does not have meaning and does not merit protection.
You are protecting Christ from having to touch a sinner. A leper, as it were, since we cafe Catholics are so horrible we should be quarantined and not even be seen in the Catholic Church without a self-disclosure dunce cap with “CINO” prominently lettered, in case someone comes in and make the ghastly mistake that your being in the same church means you are personally responsible for this man’s shortcomings and think it’s OK that you have to share a table with him.