Vatican Chief Justice: Obama’s Policies ‘Have Become Progressively More Hostile Toward Christian Civilization’

He has definitely got that right! The Obama administration is waging a war not only against religious freedom/liberty, our most important right but he’s also waging war against Christian civilization itself!

His Eminence has it perfect. No one can be a Christian in America anymore, considering the fact that we are forced to abide by the contraceptive mandate.

What is even worse: a CATHOLIC justice on the United States Supreme Court upheld this mandate.

Well stated.

One major flaw being that this is not a “Christian civilization.”


This had to be said. Methinks the President is going to be in the hot seat when he meets the Pope. :wink:

Given we voted Obama into the Presidency, I would agree with you


Do you mean before Obama was president we had a christian nation?

I was certainly being sarcastic. We live in a country founded on Judeo-Christian principles. My point is that if a person looks at our country today and sees the kind of leader we voted in, they certainly would think its far from a Judeo-Christian in nature

Good, because we were actually founded on the principals of the Enlightenment.

Even if we concede this highly debatable point, consider this:

Would Burke have said the same thing about, say, Thomas Jefferson? :slight_smile:

“In God We Trust”?

“Endowed by our Creator”?

First act of Congress was to ask a minister to open with a prayer and lead congress in reading the 1st four chapters of the Bible

The treaty that ended the revolutionary war started with " “In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.”

“There is no dissonance in these declarations. There is a universal language pervading them all, having one meaning. They affirm and reaffirm that this is a religious nation. These are not individual sayings, declarations of private persons. They are organic utterances. They speak the voice of the entire people. While because of a general recognition of this truth the question has seldom been presented to the courts, yet we find that in Updegraph v. Com., 11 Serg. & R. 394, 400, it was decided that, ‘Christianity, general Christianity, is, and always has been, a part of the common law of Pennsylvania.”
— Supreme Court Decision, 1892 Church of the Holy Trinity Decision v United States

I really don’t understand the fascination with Thomas Jefferson, but I’ll bite. Jefferson was a deist who rejected the divinity of Jesus so I think its safe to say he would be a bad example.

Which became the motto in 1956 not 1776.

Many of the founders were deists so it should be no surprise that this made an appearance. You’ll note, of course, that none of the rights described are to be found in the Bible nor can any promotion of democracy itself so they are decidedly not Christian or Jewish in origin.


And the Treaty of Tripoli, signed and ratified in 1797, states quite clearly “…the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

Along with the so-called “enlightenment” of the French Revolution was the Reign of Terror and the invention of the guillotine that went along with that.

Reign of Terror, also called The Terror, French La Terreur, the period of the French Revolution from Sept. 5, 1793, to July 27, 1794 (9 Thermidor, year II). Caught up in civil and foreign war, the Revolutionary government decided to make “Terror” the order of the day (September 5 decree) and to take harsh measures against those suspected of being enemies of the Revolution (nobles, priests, hoarders). In Paris a wave of executions followed. In the provinces, representatives on mission and surveillance committees instituted local terrors. The Terror had an economic side embodied in the Maximum, a price-control measure demanded by the lower classes of Paris, and a religious side that was embodied in the program of dechristianization pursued by the followers of Jacques Hébert.

During the Terror, the Committee of Public Safety (of which Robespierre was the most prominent member) exercised virtual dictatorial control over French government. In the spring of 1794, it eliminated its enemies to the left (the Hébertists) and to the right (the Indulgents, or followers of Georges Danton). Still uncertain of its position, the committee obtained the Law of 22 Prairial, year II (June 10, 1794), which suspended a suspect’s right to public trial and to legal assistance and left the jury only a choice between acquittal and death. The “Great Terror” that followed, in which about 1,400 persons were executed, contributed to the fall of Robespierre on July 27 (9 Thermidor).

During the Reign of Terror, at least 300,000 suspects were arrested; 17,000 were officially executed, and many died in prison or without trial.


Jefferson would not have endorsed gay marriage, abortion on demand, and wasteful government expenditure; and he certainly would not have forced individuals to violate their conscience.

And yet, those who do those things claim “Enlightenment values” as their prop.

What a stupendous and incomprehensible machine is Man… :smiley:

This is completely untrue and, in my mind, would qualify for slander except for the fact that you didn’t name a name. The Supreme Court hasn’t even voted on the HHS mandate yet; that vote isn’t expected until June. Reserve your condemnation until a Catholic justice does or does not uphold the mandate.

Yeah no kidding, We are in post Christian America that’s for sure it’s why we have the highest divorce rate in our nation’s history, highest suicide rate in the US ever, kids being raised without dads and not being raised I n loving homes, filthy greed, nasty and degrading pornography everywhere, highest rate of std’s in kids in the world, occult on the rise, depression on the rise, rampant abortion, humans confused about their gender, relativism and syncretism on the rise, contraception everywhere including drinking water… You have to be messed up if you think we are heading for greatness.

Which pales in comparison to the events in Christian civilization. There are radicals in every movement and Robespierre wasn’t the embodiment of the Enlightenment.

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