Vatican counters claims of Pope 'polling' Catholics on 'gay marriage' [CNA]

Vatican City, Nov 4, 2013 / 02:46 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The director of the Holy See press office has clarified that Pope Francis has not presented a questionnaire to Catholics worldwide to consult on homosexual unions and divorced persons, as some news outlets have reported.

This assertion, made by Italian daily il Fatto Quotidiano among others, is “not true” and in fact the basis is “only a document sent to bishops' conferences throughout the world by the secretary general of the synod of bishops, Archbishop Lorenzo Baldisseri, in preparation for the synod of bishops,” Fr. Federico Lombardi told CNA Nov. 2.

He added that the synod, which will be held Oct. 5-19, 2014, will be dedicated to “the pastoral challenges of the family in the context of evangelization.” The synod will focus on pastoral responses to the problems of divorce and gay marriage, as well as other challenges to the health of families.

But on Nov. 1, the National Catholic Reporter characterized the document sent to bishops' conferences as “a Vatican survey asking (Catholics') opinions on church teachings.”

The same day, il Fatto Quotidiano, a leftist and populist publication based in Rome, wrote that “the decision of Francis to listen, on such delicate themes, to the voice of the faithful, is absolutely unprecedented.”

In fact, the process of requesting input from around the world for a synod of bishops is well precedented; the previous Synod on the New Evangelization, held in 2012, also asked bishops’ conferences to encourage discussion of topics related to evangelization and summarize their findings.

Moreover, in his Oct. 18 letter asking that dioceses share the Preparatory Document for the 2014 synod “as widely as possible to deaneries and parishes,” Archbishop Baldisseri also noted that “since the time available is short, I would appreciate if you would follow the most brief and practical institutional process.”

Fr. Lombardi responded, stressing that the questions “are not regarding the doctrinal position of the Church,” explaining that the document has solely an advisory character, forming part of the habitual “praxis” of the synod of bishops.

The questions were given to the bishops of all the world's dioceses on how to address pastoral questions and how to give assistance to persons in irregular family situations, among other things.

Fr. Lombardi added that on Tuesday, Nov. 5, there will be a press conference on the preparation for the synod's 2014 meeting, including Archbishop Baldisseri; Archbishop Péter Erdo of Esztergom-Budapest, general relator of the synod; and Archbishop Bruno Forte of Chieti-Vasto, special secretary of the synod.

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Between this and the women Cardinals story, it seems that the Vatican’s Press Office is getting a little faster and better at addressing media distortion :thumbsup:

There is no way that the Pope will ever rule gay marriage or gay sex is not a sin. It is written clearly in the bible regarding gay sex and a marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman. End of the story.

Yet another example of leftists trying to (re-) create the Holy Father in their own image.

Sadly, too many people who normally have common sense when it comes to believing the leftist press are completely gullible when it comes to the Church.

All they need to do is look at the various polls that have already been done on this issue. It is clear, at least in the USA, what side the majority of Catholics are on. :rolleyes:

The “majority of Catholics” fell for the Arian heresy, too. How did that turn out?

That a majority of people who claim to be Catholic support same-sex “marriage” should be a mark of shame. How can so many be so poorly catechized in something as basic as the definition of marriage? It’s not a mystery, or something that involves deep theological debate. Our bodies show clearly that male and female are meant to unite in a way impossible for only-male or only-female groups. That isn’t theology - that’s biology 101.

I don’t know why people got in such a huff about the original article. My first reaction to it was POSITIVE; I thought “oh good, Pope Francis is seeing how well individual parishes are staying true to Catholic doctrine.” Now I’m disappointed that the Vatican didn’t poll the parishes.

Try and find a poll of weekly Catholic mass goers with the result being that the majority support homosexual marriage.

From Radio Vaticana:*The Vatican on Tuesday released the preparatory document for the Synod of Bishops Extraordinary General Assembly on the theme “The Pastoral Challenges of the Family in the Context of Evangelization”.

The Synod, called for by Pope Francis, will take place in the Vatican from October 5 to October 19 2014.

Please find below the full text of the preparatory document below:
*Nice to see that they released this document in order to battle the distortions of the truth by the dissenting, heterodox, heretical left.

Examples of some of the questions they asked:
III. Questions

The following series of questions allows the particular Churches to participate actively in the preparation of the Extraordinary Synod, whose purpose is to proclaim the Gospel in the context of the pastoral challenges facing the family today.

  1. The Diffusion of the Teachings on the Family in Sacred Scripture and the Church’s Magisterium

a) Describe how the Catholic Church’s teachings on the value of the family contained in the Bible, Gaudium et spes, Familiaris consortio and other documents of the post-conciliar Magisterium is understood by people today? What formation is given to our people on the Church’s teaching on family life?

b) In those cases where the Church’s teaching is known, is it accepted fully or are there difficulties in putting it into practice? If so, what are they?

(snip)

  1. Marriage according to the Natural Law

(snip)

c) How is the theory and practice of natural law in the union between man and woman challenged in light of the formation of a family? How is it proposed and developed in civil and Church institutions?

(snip)

  1. The Pastoral Care of the Family in Evangelization

(snip)

(snip)

f) What pastoral care has the Church provided in supporting couples in formation and couples in crisis situations?

  1. Pastoral Care in Certain Difficult Marital Situations

a) Is cohabitation ad experimentum a pastoral reality in your particular Church? Can you approximate a percentage?

b) Do unions which are not recognized either religiously or civilly exist? Are reliable statistics available?

(snip)

  1. On Unions of Persons of the Same Sex

a) Is there a law in your country recognizing civil unions for people of the same-sex and equating it in some way to marriage?

b) What is the attitude of the local and particular Churches towards both the State as the promoter of civil unions between persons of the same sex and the people involved in this type of union?

(snip)

  1. The Education of Children in Irregular Marriages

(snip)

b) How do parents in these situations approach the Church? What do they ask? Do they request the sacraments only or do they also want catechesis and the general teaching of religion?

  1. The Openness of the Married Couple to Life

a) What knowledge do Christians have today of the teachings of Humanae vitae on responsible parenthood? Are they aware of how morally to evaluate the different methods of family planning? Could any insights be suggested in this regard pastorally?

(snip)

d) What is your experience on this subject in the practice of the Sacrament of Penance and participation at the Eucharist?

(snip)

f) How can a more open attitude towards having children be fostered? How can an increase in births be promoted?

  1. The Relationship Between the Family and the Person

a) Jesus Christ reveals the mystery and vocation of the human person. How can the family be a privileged place for this to happen?

(snip)
The left has outdone themselves in distorting the truth in this case. Sadly, far too many Christians actually uncritically accept their distortions as truth.

Hmm, are they on the side of heresy? On the side of the fallen angels? On the side of Satan? I don’t think so, but if that were the case, it surely couldn’t be a good thing.

Because the original article was a deception, a lie. The Vatican released a questionnaire to bishops and a renegade group of leftists took the ball and ran with it, releasing a completely new questionnaire to their readership, with wording crafted to elicit completely different responses. Questions like “how are same-sex couples welcomed in your parish?” were not by any means part of the questionnaire released by the Vatican. All this group wants is to collect their own data, skew it appropriately, and then use it as a club against bishops and other Church leaders in order to further their heretical agendas.

This is not only a question of “will not”, it is a question of “can not”.

If a Pope tried to do that, he would be a heretic, and cease to be Pope. It would be a real mess, but the faithful bishops would have to figure out a way to depose him, and choose another Pope.

God Bless

I think this perfectly sums up the whole situation.

:thumbsup:

It’s so sad to see how the media is distorting this :frowning:

At least the Vatican Press Office and other Catholic Press seem to be pretty on top of addressing the distortion, but it’s still sad to think that some people are still being mislead.

Makes me wonder what could be done to prevent media distortion like this, as it seems to be happening so much. Seems like there must be something that could be done by the Church to help prevent it, but I don’t know what it would be :shrug:

The Vatican has asked for the opinions of catholics worldwide on the major areas of controversy,but it by no means a poll. The Catholic bishops in the UK published the full survey online and the ten questions were in the Catholic paper at the weekend.Have no fear, the vocabulary of the survey is so convuluted and obscure that the average pew warmer will be left clueless and the exercise will be a PR disaster.

Read the document linked at Post #9. They asked for the dioceses to answer questions in preparation for the synod. That’s a long way off from asking the opinions of the “Catholic in the Street” much less a poll.

Exactly!:thumbsup:

According to a Tweet by Rocco Palmo, “Following presser on Synod changes to up its “effectiveness,” Vatican re-releases 2014 Family gathering’s prep-text

Linked: the true, full text of the Vatican questionnaire, unblemished by Fishwrap or CACG distortionary tactics.

Abyssinia, as much as it pains me to say this, there are polls that sadly show that the majority support homosexual marriage even among those who attend Mass regularly…Go figure! The Quinnipiac University poll found that the majority of Cathics who attend Mass weekly favor so-called SSM and women priests…

American Catholics support same-sex marriage 60 – 31 percent, compared to the 56 – 36 percent support among all U.S. adults.
More devout Catholics, who attend religious services about once a week, support same- sex marriage 53 – 40 percent, while less observant Catholics support it 65 – 26 percent.

American Catholics support 60 – 30 percent the ordination of women priests. Those who attend religious services about once a week support women priests 52 – 38 percent, compared to 66 – 25 percent among those who attend services less frequently.

Here’s the link…patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2013/10/poll-most-catholics-who-attend-mass-weekly-support-gay-marriage-women-priests/

Peace, Mark

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