Originally posted by thunderballs75
Honestly, the majority of people love the Spirit of Vatican II. They love the guitar and piano. They love the dancing. They love the banners. They love the vibrant hymns. They love the hand-holding. They love it all. The people that don’t (myself included) are very very much the minority. So your idea about all of this division and split between people in the Church is really just kind of based on CAF. Most people would not even understand the things people talk about on these forums.
A little too much generalizing.
The diocese of Tucson has what I would refer to as a decent balance of traditional and “Spirit of Vatican II” liturgical practices. Holy Family has a TLM each Sunday and my parish, St. Francis de Sales celebrates the NO with some latin and older traditional hymns, a cantor and beautiful choir. The pastor would hardly be thought of as anything other than traditional but considers the NO done with reverence to be the best of all worlds.
The parish 3 miles from my home represents in my opinion and I think yours, most everything that is wrong about liturgy run wild. My neighbor, a medical doctor and a self professed political liberal can’t bare to attend Mass at the parish near us. She tried to help the new pastor who inherited this parish and as a new member of the parish council
observed incredible animosity towards a Deacon trying to reign in blatant abuses. Rubrics? What does Rubrics have to do with anything?
So if I had to guess, there are likely 25 to 50 families doing what my neighbor and I are doing; participating and contributing at parishes 15 to 20 miles away. In addition to that, we have both discussed the distrust that seems to go both ways. Many of the parishioners at the parish near us are deathly afraid of the Bishop interfering with their unique liturgical practices that were established by the previous pastor and member of the religious order Salvatorians.
On the other hand, there are many like myself who wonder how it can be or why it is necessary for a parish to be so “unique” as to be so separated liturgically from the rest of the diocese; with the exception of the parish on the other end of town, run by another Salvatorian priest. Examples; peace sign immediately following the liturgy of the Word,
prayers of the faithful being read by various lay people at their seats(no kneelers), people at the rear of the knave proceeding first for communion ( reverse order to any other Mass I’ve attended ). And the new building that is being used for Mass but considered temporary, being named for John XXIII and the tabernacle being kept in the sacristy off the vestibule along with the one “risen” crucifix.
I don’t think members of either parish spend much time discussing their feelings about the other, liturgically speaking, but without question, the feelings are there.
My sisters in Chicago have discussed similar situations and while it’s true that liberal parishes abound, traditional Catholics are making their voices heard at the parish level and to the Bishop. I think you underestimate the size of those who are primarily traditional, just not TLM traditional and as my neighbor attests to, are otherwise liberal thinking people. And these people would feel comfortable participating in CAF but don’t, for whatever reasons. My personal experience is that a majority of people desire something far different than your descriptions of the spirit of V II liturgy, a few parishes seem to prefer these whistles and bells but most do not. Maybe it’s just that Southern Arizona is an anomaly and maybe parts of suburban Chicago, but I have a different sense of things than you do.
May the Peace of Christ be with us all, always