[quote=Lazerlike42]It is boarderline schismatic, and seems to show a certain misunderstanding of Catholic teaching as a whole. Vatican II did not contradict any prior teachings
With all due respect; I disagree with you emphatically. Please allow me to state my position.
First question; have you read all the Councils, THEN Vatican II? If you have (which is apparent you have not) you would see indeed that “Vatican II DID and DOES contradict prior teachings”
The Pope who summoned the Council and the pope who promulgated its decrees made it clear that Vatican II was a pastoral, not a dogmatic Council. Catholics are, therefore, within their rights to make reservations regarding any novelties emanating from Vatican II that are out of step with Sacred Tradition and the previous continuous Magisterium of the Church.
Pope John XXIII, who convoked the council had no intention of it being an infallible and so he stated that "there will be no infallible definitions. All that was done by former Councils. That is enough. --Pope John XXIII
It must not be mistaken that since the council was attended and called by the Pope that it would automatically be lead by the Holy Ghost as to call a council is a practical decision of the pope. A person may piously believe that God inspired it. But no one can say that this is an object of faith.
Vatican I (a dogmatic council, which Vatican II was not) makes it very clear that the pope is SUBSERVIENT to the Deposit of Faith. Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI explicitly chose to withhold dogmatic authority from Vatican II. Therefore, whatever it did or however it is interpreted, it has none of the weight of the dogmatic Council of Trent and Vatican I.
“The Church united in councils, even general councils, has sometimes been mistaken” (Dictionaire de Theologie Catholique). The teaching of the Council of Florence on the matter and form for the Sacrament of Holy Orders (Sessio VIII, November 22, 1439) was set aside by Pope Pius XII in his Apostolic Constitution “Sacramentum Ordinis” (1947).
There is the example of the illegal Council of Pistoia, which was held in September of 1786 by the Bishop of Pistoia and Prato, in a daring effort to secure the errors of Jansenism. The Council attempted to spread errors by emphasising the notion of “Community”, by giving bishops more authority much like Vatican II did by the proclamation of collegiality of bishops, and many other errors of the illegal Council of Pistoia. This council was condemned and eighty-five of its propositions were stigmatized as erroneous and dangerous.
Pius VI on 28 August, 1794, dealt the death-blow to the influence of the council in his Bull "Auctorem Fidei:
“[To contend that] ways must be prepared for people to unite their voices with that of the whole Church – if this be understood to signify the introduction of the use of the vernacular language into the liturgical prayers – is condemned as false, rash, disturbing to the order prescribed for the celebration of the sacred mysteries, easily productive of many evils.”
Thus we can see that not only is it clearly possible that Vatican II and it’s outcome may be later be annulled but also that many of the false innovation that were introduced or brought about as a result of this council have already been clearly condemned by the Church.
In fact, Paul VI, who promulgated the documents of the Council in 1965, like his predecessor began to reject the fruits of that Council. He issued two startling statements to that effect.
“The Church finds herself in an hour of anxiety, a disturbed period of self-criticism, or what would even better be called self-demolition [auto-destruction]. It is an interior upheaval, acute and complicated, which nobody expected after the Council…”(edited out for brevity) Pope Paul VI, December 7, 1968, Address to the Lombard Seminary at Rome
"We have the impression that through some cracks in the wall the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God: it is doubt, uncertainty, questioning, dissatisfaction, confrontation… What dawned, instead, was a day of clouds and storms, of darkness, of searching and uncertainties. – Pope Paul VI, June 29, 1972
Vatican II, therefore, as a pastoral council, has no dogmatic force and can be held to be imprudent or even in error, with no compromise to one’s Catholic faith.
Further, as an aside; as a convert to the Catholic faith I am appalled at those who blindly follow those in error. Beware of the clergy; for they are the first to apostasize. It truly is a perfect example of the blind leading the blind. What better way for Satan to create confusion and discord among Catholics than to wedge this puny Council between the faithful? What better way to lead souls to hell under the auspice of “Obedience” without understanding that the Authority is owed to Christ FIRST. Always.