Victoria's Secret Fashion Show

Is it a sin for women to watch the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show with their girl friends?

I’d put it in the category of grave matter. It’s softcore pornography.

Yikes.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines pornography thusly:

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties.

Please explain your hypothesis of “softcore pornography” and how this would differ from what we regularly see on a public beach or in an art museum.

Please understand that I am ignorant of the content of the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show except that it presumably has people parading about in bikini-like undergarments.

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Are you female or male? I am assuming female?

Probably a venial sin, I don’t know, I’m just a layman and no expert, but practically speaking, I would strongly counsel against it, I certainly think it imprudent, especially if you get desensitized to it and then have this kind of immodesty around a boyfriend or another guy.

As Hoosier Daddy said, it could easily be what some would call softcore pornography, so I don’t think it healthy at all and would strongly counsel against it.

Anyway, just some of my thoughts.

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For women to watch the Victoria’s Secret fashion show?

I doubt it.

It’s like perusing through a lingerie catalog, seeing which one you would like to buy for yourself.

I still think Victoria’s Secret is overpriced though.

Why would it be? It’s a form of online shopping…

I would probably just say, there is ‘underwear’ ‘swimwear’ and then another category called ‘Lingerie’

Lingerie I believe is designed for a more specific reason, it is targeted toward a more specific area. Some female swimwear certainly borders on this if not becomes this too. In other words it can leave hardly anything to the imagination and is designed to incite.

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That’s what I would call ‘naivety’ and I truly mean no offense by that.

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If I were to hazard a guess, judging by the comments so far, I would guess Hoosier Daddy and myself are probably the only two male posters on this thread so far? lol, now id better get out of here before I get shot. :smiley:

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I think it’s over priced, not very well made.

I’m sure other lingerie companies also have fashion shows, probably not very well known or publicized outside of the fashion industry.

I’ve seems some of the pictures. I thought that some of the costumes were a bit too silly. But it wouldn’t be a source of lust for me. Maybe envy, because I am no longer young like these ladies or anywhere as fit. I’m old enough to be the mom of many of the models. The Hadid sisters are very pretty.

No. Lingerie is a form of underwear or sleepwear. It is not something specifically designed to incite men to lust.

I buy lingerie for sleeping and choose it for form, fit and function. I buy it for comfort not with the wicked plan to incite men to lust.

You call women watching a fashion show naive? Why?

I have never watched the show, but my understanding is that it’s very different from a typical runway show, that truly feature the clothes. More like a televised “swimsuit issue.”

Even if not “technically” pornography, I think it’s marketed mostly to men as a way to see very attractive women without much clothing on. I’m not tempted to lust after these women, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable normalizing that kind of display in our culture, that’s already saturated by messages of men objectifying women and that it’s OK and I have to shut up and take it, because if I don’t, I’m a prude.

I think you also bring up really good points about envy. Also greed.

That is good, but it doesn’t change what it’s designed for I believe. Others do buy it precisely for the latter plan and I believe it is designed for the latter.

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When males cease to be attracted to fit and beautiful (beauty as In the carnal sense) women wearing skimpy outfits leaving very little to the imagination, then I will consider otherwise.

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This is true too. I don’t like VS because I don’t like their marketing, but there is nothing inherently wrong with lingerie (or even modelling it, which is useful for potential customers.) IMO VS takes it too far, but I don’t have issues with the products themselves.

:eek: Seriously? Oh man, what to say… :hmmm:

I’ll try and think of something tomorrow.

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No it did not help. We were not discussing men here.

We were discussing women watching fashion shows. Fashion shows for women’s clothing.

The OP talked about her and her girl friends watching. No men are involved.

I’m not saying these materials should be widely available for public consumption by men.

But yes, it is useful to see what an item of clothing, even lingerie, looks like when worn as intended. It’s possible to do that without being pornographic.

There is such a thing as discretion.

Look, I’m a married mom of three, and I look like a married mom of three. I wear underwear just like everybody else, and I’m not exactly made of time and money to go out there and spend lots of time trying on bras to see if they fit right. Having sample pictures of real people with the things on is a big help (so’s finding a professional bra fitter, when you can.)

Bras are not like T-shirts where anything from small to extra large will do in a pinch. :shrug:

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