Views on Angels

What are the views on the angels in different religions? I have heard from a lot of different non-Catholic preachers in my area about them, but it’s usually general descriptions like “they’re God’s servants” and information about them being kind of spirits. One of them, I can’t remember what church he was with, said that God initially made angels from fire, and men were made from earth/dust/clay after that point. I haven’t talked to a Catholic priest about it, but an attendee at my local Catholic church told me something about there being a rebellion in Heaven before the creation of man, and over a hundred thousand angels were cast down alongside Lucifer.

I have read comments online about Lucifer, Satan, and the Devil not being the same person. Is that true? I thought that they were just different names for the same entity, with “Devil” meaning “slanderer/accuser” and “Satan” meaning “adversary/accuser”.

Are any of these things correct? Can someone fill me in on what I’m missing about angels?

My understanding of the creation of angels is that God made them before He made man, but one (Lucifer) went bad for some reason and was cast out. Did he take other angels with him? Because Satan and Devil both seem to imply that this entity made some kind of evil accusation, presumably against God, is there any speculation or history on what slander/accusation he made?

To clarify, I’m asking for background information on angels from any religion. I realize that I’m posting this in the Non-Catholic forum, but I would also appreciate answers from Catholics.

Yes, that is a good summary of Catholic teaching. A specific Bible verse you can go to re: angels is Hebrews 1:14 – “Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?”

One of them, I can’t remember what church he was with, said that God initially made angels from fire, and men were made from earth/dust/clay after that point.

That is not Catholic teaching, although it is part of Catholic tradition to compare angels to fire. Hebrews 1:7 says, “[God] makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire.” Catholic tradition sees that as a metaphor, because fire is a material thing (it’s actually a chemical reaction involving gas and carbon), and angels are spiritual, not material.

I haven’t talked to a Catholic priest about it, but an attendee at my local Catholic church told me something about there being a rebellion in Heaven before the creation of man, and over a hundred thousand angels were cast down alongside Lucifer.

Yes, that is my understanding as well. I’ve never heard the term “a hundred thousand,” but there is support in Catholic tradition for the view that about one-third of the angels rebelled against God with Lucifer and were cast out of heaven with him.

Revelation 12:7-9 says, “Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world – he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”

Revelation 12:4 says about the dragon, “His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth.”

Traditionally, Catholics have speculated that, before God created man, He showed the angels that His Son was eventually going to become a man, and the angels would have to worship Him. But the devil and a third of the angels refused to worship a material being. That was where the rebellion happened, and the devil and his angels were cast out of heaven.

I have read comments online about Lucifer, Satan, and the Devil not being the same person. Is that true? I thought that they were just different names for the same entity, with “Devil” meaning “slanderer/accuser” and “Satan” meaning “adversary/accuser”.

As you can see from Revelation 12:9, “that ancient serpent…is called the Devil and Satan.” The name Lucifer comes from Isaiah 14:12 – “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how are you cut down to the ground, who did weaken the nations!” Many scholars today deny that this verse refers to the Devil because they say the context reveals it is talking about a Babylonian king, and it is using exaggeration to compare the king before his fall from grace to an angel. I think the verse can support both interpretations: it does refer to a Babylonian king, but the angel it is comparing him to is Satan, who fell from grace and became the Devil. (That’s just my interpretation.)

Are any of these things correct? Can someone fill me in on what I’m missing about angels?

I hope I helped. :slight_smile:

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Peace

That is correct. Lucifer is a name, whereas “Satan” means “accuser” and “devil” is a generic term for the enemy of God. They all describe the same entity.

Paul

Welcome temoros, thank you for the question. I would love to offer you this one passage from the Baha’i writings on Angels, of course there is a lot more on this subject.

"By angels is meant the divine confirmations and heavenly powers. Angels are also those holy souls who have severed attachment to the earthly world, who are free from the fetters of self and passion and who have attached their hearts to the divine realm and the merciful kingdom. They are of the kingdom, heavenly; they are of the merciful One, divine. They are the manifestations of the divine grace and the dawns of spiritual bounty.

(Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith - Abdu’l-Baha Section, p. 409)

This has much clarity in the Baha’i Writings, all those titles refer to the lower nature of Man, so yes they do all refer to the same thing.

Lucifer, Satan, and the Devil only exist when we turn away from God - It can be explained as the difference between Light and Darkness, Darkness having no existence in itself, Darkness only manifests when there is lack of light.

Evil only manifests when there is lack of Good - Thus there is Only one God, our God of Love - As we move further away from that love the more Lack of Love becomes apparent.

This can also be thought about that if you were to elevate yourself above the Earth, then you would not know darkness. If you turned to all Good there is no Evil. This is our Test in Life, to cast of as much of Satan/Devil as we can. :blush:

Yes Goodness (All Gods Virtues) are the animating force, they are the true existence no beginning and no end. It is when God created Man to Know Him and Love Him that God gave us the Gift of Free Will. We must have free will to be able to Love as God Does.

When Free will was given then the ability to fall from Pure Love was also Given, the Story of that as we know it, starts with Adam :thumbsup:

This is a great topic and there are many many writings on this subject, it will be great to chat about them if you wish :thumbsup:

God Bless and Regards Tony

Angel’s exist as personal entities who worship and serve God. That they are personal is indicated by the many times they speak to the prophets and other figures like Mary. And that they serve God is indicated in that they provide messages to certain people from God.

The best example is Gabriel who appears to Mary saying she will conceive and give birth to the son of God who will be the saviour.

There are numerous kinds of Angels. Angels were created from light. Satan was created from fire. Adam was created from muddy. I wonder when hear that Christians say Satan was the angel. Satan(Shaytan) was not angel but Satan is Jin an other kind.

Human was created from mud but human’s body is not exactly alike mud. After death body becomes mud again.

Satan was created from fire. How mud could harm human like that fire could harm Satan.

Angels never revolt against God. Angels do exactly what they are ordered. Angels can move more rapid than light. Everywhere is fulled of Angels. There are angels on shoulders uf human who writes bad and good deeds. On every star or planet there are angels. Angels drop every vestige of rain. There are angels in Hell whom bodies could resist fire.

There are nine choirs of angels which are mentioned in the scriptures;

  1. Seraphim; which is the choir of angel from which Lucifer was cast out. These are the angels closest to God’s presence

  2. Cherubim

3.Thrones; these choir of angel do not descend upon the earth

4, Dominations; some of these angels fell, which the baptized battle against

  1. Virtues; it is from this choir of angel that most of the angels fell with Lucifer, when Michael an Arch Angel cast them out of heaven. which the baptized battle against

  2. Powers; these are some of the angels to which the baptized fight against

  3. Principalities; these are some of the angels to which the baptized fight against

  4. Arch Angels; seven in number are mentioned in scripture but are not named in the canon of scripture except Michael, Tobit, Uriel?, Gabriel. The other Arch Angels are named from Jewish Tradition. I have to question Uriel maybe named from Jewish Tradition

9 Angels; these are guardian angels they descend and ascend to earth and to heaven.

They see you when your sleeping, they know when your awake, they know if you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake, So you better watch out you better not pout, you better not cry, I’m telling you why, these angels have the ear of God, and take our prayers to God. Sorry for the out of season folklore song, but I couldn’t resist a chance at humor here.

Angels = Messengers of God is their office, Spirit is an Angel’s nature

The subject here is immense. Naming the 9 biblical choir of angels here, I hope is a start for you;

Peace be with you

A big thank you to everyone who responded! I really appreciate it.

Are archangels lesser in rank than all the others you listed before them?

Where are these different types of angels mentioned in scripture? Is it scattered throughout, or are they all listed at once in the same passage? I found an article on Catholic.org for “The Nine Choirs of Angels” and that, along with your post, was very helpful. Thank you so much!

What do you mean by “personal”? Are they like guardian angels for each individual, or do you just mean that they’re people too?

Thank you for your response! Your answer was very thorough. I don’t know much of anything about Baha’i, even less than what I know about other major religions. Thank you for educating me.

Does anyone know what accusations he made to get that name? It just seems like an odd label.

CHAPLET of ST. MICHAEL

Saint Michael appearing one day to Antonia d’ Astonac, a most devout Servant of God, told her that he wished to be honored by nine salutations corresponding to the nine Choirs of Angels, which should consist of one Our Father and three Hail Marys in honor of each of the angelic choirs.

Promises of St. Michael

Whosoever would practice this devotion in his honor would have, when approaching the Holy Table, an escort of nine angels chosen from each one of the nine choirs. In addition, for the daily recital of these nine salutations he promised his continual assistance and that of all the holy angels during life, and after death deliverance from purgatory for themselves and their relations.

Method of Reciting the Chaplet

The chaplet is begun by saying the following invocation on the medal:

O God, come to my assistance. 
O Lord, make haste to help me. 
Glory be to the Father, etc.

Following the arrow on the diagram 1-9, say one Our Father and three Hail Marys after each of the following nine salutations in honor of the nine choirs of angels.

1

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Seraphim, may the Lord make us worthy to burn with the fire of perfect charity. Amen.

2

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Cherubim, may the Lord vouchsafe to grant us grace to leave the ways of wickedness to run in the paths of Christian perfection. Amen.

3

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Thrones, may the Lord infuse into our hearts a true and sincere spirit of humility. Amen.

4

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Dominions, may the Lord give us grace to govern our senses and subdue our unruly passions. Amen.

5

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Powers, may the Lord vouchsafe to protect our souls against the snares and temptations of the devil. Amen.

6

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Virtues may the Lord preserve us from evil and suffer us not to fall into temptation. Amen.

7

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Principalities, may God fill our souls with a true spirit of obedience. Amen.

8

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Archangels, may the Lord give us perseverance in faith and in all good works, in order that we gain the glory of Paradise. Amen.

9

By the intercession of St. Michael and the celestial Choir of Angels, may the Lord grant us to be protected by them in this mortal life and conducted hereafter to eternal glory. Amen.

Following the arrow on the diagram, 10-13, say one Our Father in honor of each of the following leading angels:
10 St. Michael;
11 St. Gabriel;
12 St. Raphael;
13 our Guardian Angel.

The chaplet is concluded with the following prayers:

O glorious Prince St. Michael, chief and commander of the heavenly hosts, guardian of souls, vanquisher of rebel spirits, servant in the house of the Divine King, and our admirable conductor, thou who dost shine with excellence and superhuman virtue, vouchsafe to deliver us from all evil, who turn to thee with confidence, and enable us by thy gracious protection to serve God more and more faithfully every day.

V. Pray for us, O glorious St. Michael, Prince of the Church of Jesus Christ.
R. That we may be made worthy of His promises.

PRAYER

Almighty and Everlasting God, who by a prodigy of goodness and a merciful desire for the salvation of all men, hast appointed the most glorious Archangel, St. Michael, Prince of Thy Church, make us worthy, we beseech Thee, to be delivered from all our enemies that none of them may harass us at the hour of death, but that we may be conducted, by him into the august presence of Thy Divine Majesty. This we beg through the merits of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

(With Ecclesiastical Approval)

CHAPLETS OF ST. MICHAEL

The OP might find the following link useful. It appears to have been written by a Catholic Priest

therealpresence.org/archives/Angelology/Angelology_027.htm

Raphael,not tobit

Thank you, I stand corrected; Uriel is from the Jewish tradition. Raphael is recorded in the book of Tobit. I almost started to name all seven of the arch angels, which would of ended in a disaster trying to recall them from memory as I did the 9 choirs of angels.

Thanks for the correction Jack007:thumbsup:

Where does it say satan was created from fire? Lucifer was created by God and even his name means “The Light Bearer”. He was the first and most beautiful of all angels His original name was Heylel, which is ancient Hebrew for one that shines.
Then the Romans who spoke latin, translated the word Heylel to Lucifer. The light bearer.

Muslims hold the same beliefs in some regards as Jews regarding Angels. They view them as not capable of free will as Hasantas points out and as agents of God’s will. This is why the Christian view of Satan is so problematic for both Jews and Muslims, albeit there are other reasons also upon which Muslims and Jews themselves differ.

Uriel is still very much part of Christian tradition also in the Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Churches.

As I understand it, all seven of the archangels are mentioned in the book of Enoch (as well as the three that are mentioned in canonical Scripture). But I suppose their names appearing in Enoch bears some weight since the book of Jude references it.

Gabriel, Michael, Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Remiel and Saraqael.

Job 1-2 – Job is accused of being blameless and upright, because of the rewards he has from God, and that he would be less so if his life were hard.

Zech 3:1 – Joshua stands in a heavenly court, as the representative of all the sins of Israel, with an angel of the Lord as defense attorney. Satan stands as accuser, a prosecuting attorney.

Satan is always a figure who seeks the worse, in everything. Accusations are tools meant to deny God’s Mercy. Making a situation or person hopeless is his goal.

Thus, we are called as Christians to walk in the light, as the accuser is defeated.

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