Vigilantius refuses to pray......


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for the dead.... and conversely denies that the "dead" saints can help the living. But they are not "dead"; they are alive in Christ! :thumbsup:

and many Protestants cite Jerome as it concerns the deuterocanonicals...do they agree with Jerome that we can pray for the dead and the dead pray for us...

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If Apostles and martyrs while still in the body can pray for others, when they ought still to be anxious for themselves, how much more must they do so when once they have won their crowns, overcome, and triumphed? A single man, Moses [Ex. xxxii. 30ff.], oft wins pardon from God for six hundred thousand armed men; and Stephen [Act vii. 59-60], the follower of his Lord and the first Christian martyr, entreats pardon for his persecutors; and when once they have entered on their life with Christ, shall they have less power than before? The Apostle Paul says [Apoc. xxvii, 37] that two hundred and seventy-six souls were given to him in the ship; and when, after his dissolution, he has begun to be with Christ, must he shut his mouth, and be unable to say a word for those who throughout the whole world have believed in his Gospel? Shall Vigilantius the live dog be better than Paul the dead lion? I should be right in saying so after Ecclesiastes [ix. 4], if I admitted that Paul is dead in spirit.

The truth is that the saints are not called dead, but are said to be asleep. Wherefore Lazarus, who was about to rise again, is said [John xi. 11], to have slept. And the Apostle [1 Thess. iv. 13], forbids the Thessalonians to be sorry for those who were asleep.


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