That’s very funny. According to you, infallible doctrines, even when merely recited word for word, are now “interpretations”. Who can really know what is meant by ANY infallible decree, right? Yes, the Fathers of the Council said those words, but who really knows what they meant, right? Again, you are oozing Protestantism, for this is exactly what they do. Here are the doctrines again, with NO interpretation:
Canons concerning the Sacrament of Baptism
Canon 2. If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ: Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, let him be anathema.
Canon 5. If anyone says that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation, let him be anathema.
Now, baptism of desire states that a person is given saving grace, that is, let into Heaven, WITHOUT receiving water baptism. There is no interpretation here, these doctrines are contradictory. It is a matter of plain Logic.
"Your interpretations of the canons are VERY fallible, and the tradition of the Church is against you.”
–In order for a teaching to be a Tradition, it must have been held by a majority of the Church Fathers and traceable back to the Apostles. There are only THREE Fathers of the Church who mention it, 2 for and 1 against. Neither does this doctrine go back to the Apostles. Church Tradition is NOT against me. However, the accommodating, “let’s not offend anyone” mentality of our post-revolution culture IS against me.
“St. Augustine himself gave the example of the catechumen who dies on the way to his own baptism. I know who St. Augustine is. Who are you?” -So you do not accept truth unless you know someone? What kind of a ridiculous statement is that? I would recommend a good course in Scholastic logic for you so you will not make such subjective arguments in the future.
By the way, so what about St. Augustine? Was he speaking as an infallible Pope or a fallible theologian? Just because he has the title SAINT before his name does NOT mean everything he ever said in his whole life was at a God-like perfection and can never be questioned. Let us be careful to HONOR the saints and not WORSHIP them. As an aside, I freely admit, St. Augustine DID put forth the argument that unbaptized catechumens can be saved. He also said (and I’ll be surprised if you have the good-will enough to actually read these quotes and acknowledge that they contradict both what he said and what you are saying now.):
St. Augustine: “How many rascals are saved by being baptized on their deathbeds? And how many sincere catechumens die unbaptized, and are thus lost forever! …When we shall have come into the sight of God, we shall behold the equity of His justice. At that time, no one will say: Why did He help this one and not that one? Why was this man led by God’s direction to be baptized, while that man, though he lived properly as a catechumen, was killed in a sudden disaster and not baptized? Look for rewards, and you will find nothing but punishments! ….For of what use would repentance be, even before Baptism, if Baptism did not follow? …No matter what progress a catechumen may make, he still carries the burden of iniquity, and it is not taken away until he has been baptized.” (The Faith of Our Fathers, Fr. Jurgens, bk. 3, 1496; On the Gospel of St. John, Chapter 13, Tract 7.)
St. Augustine: “Note that I speak now both to the faithful and to catechumens. What did I mention in connection with the spittle and the clay? This: the Word became flesh. The catechumens can hear this; but just listening to it does not accomplish that for which they were anointed. Let them hasten to the font if they seek the Light.” (The Divine Office, bk., p. 1620, from Fourth Week in Lent, Treatise 44 on John.)
St. Augustine: “What is the Baptism of Christ? A washing in the word. Take away the water, and there is no Baptism. It is, then, by water, the visible and outward sign of grace, and by the Spirit, Who produces the inward gift of grace, which cancels the bond of sin and restores God’s gift to human nature, that the man who was born solely of Adam in the first place is afterwards re-born solely in Christ.” (“On John,” 15:4, Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Latina, Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris, 1855, vol. 35.)
St. Augustine: “Or how can they fail to be saved by water… the same unity of the ark saved them, in which no one has been saved except by water. For Cyprian himself says, ‘The Lord is able of His mercy to grant pardon, and not to sever from the gifts of His Church those who, being in all simplicity admitted to the Church, have fallen asleep within her pale.’ If not by water, how in the ark? If not in the ark, how in the Church? But if in the Church, certainly in the ark; and if in the ark, certainly by water. …nor can they be said to have been otherwise saved in the ark except by water.” (On Baptism (De Baptismo), 5:28.)