Was Jesus’ predestined to death? That wasn’t avoidable?


#1

If so, Caiaphas, Judas and some Israelites had no free will to prevent it? Then, would God accuse them for the murder? For they had no free will? I guess?


#2

Jesus was not predestined to death, no.

Just as He does with all our lives, God can take the evil that occurs (He does not will evil into our lives) and bring good out of it.

The Passion is the supreme example of this.


#3

How you see time is always the issue with these questions.
God the Father “sees” the death/rising of the Son from eternal perspective, not in linear time, and…AND, Caiaphas and Judas have free will to act.
And.
God’s timeless omniscience does not take away free will.


#4

Predestined without free will?
No
Knew what was going to happen?
Yeah


#5

It’s precisely this issue that causes Catholics to object to the Hymn ‘O Lord my God’ with its line ‘And when I think, that God His son not sparing, sent Him to die’.


#6

Are you asking - which did Christ come to do: to teach or to die?


#7

Also, they could have repented afterward.

Peter and the other apostles did who ran away. Also the centurion. And even later, Paul, who murdered many Christians, came to repentance.


#8

It was the Plan of God for our salvation for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins

Matthew 26:39 And going a little farther, he threw himself on the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; yet not what I want but what you want.”

John 18:11 11 Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword back into its sheath. Am I not to drink the cup that the Father has given me?”

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.


#9

So God knew that they would murder with free will?


#10

I think so yes


#11

Jesus, who is God, chose to effect our redemption through His death and resurrection. So in that sense, the event was always part of the universe, both known and planned by God.

But the people who participated didn’t know that. They acted from their own motives and of their own will. No outside power forced them to choose evil, but God wove their choices into the whole tapestry of events that would bring about great good.


#12

Having read Ephesians 1 and Colossians 1, I would say yes, he was. Jesus wasn’t Plan B. Jesus was Plan A all along.

With regard to the free will question, I would say we don’t have free will. However, there is a difference between God having pre-destined his plan of salvation, and God being responsible for acting out sin. The fact is, God holds men accountable for their own sin and is still the God of all creation.


#13

Ty for the comments, everyone.


#14

God knows people’s choices they will choose before they make the choice. Just because He knows in advance what a person will choose does it mean He caused their action regardless of their choice. He predestines what He foreknows. He doesn’t predestine a person’s activity over and above what a person will freely choose.


#15

Just a thought to what you said there.

  1. God knows all that will happen (unless we think of a different God)
  2. At the very same time (as in this is God and as you just said… He He knows and he created us?
  3. What then?

#16

Short answer

He creates us with free will. If we have no free will, then we are guilty of nothing.


#17

But He is God.

We being guilty by our perception may be somewhat beyond “our DIVINE capabilities”.

Just a thought.


#18

We know God is love. He then would NEVER predestine someone to hell for example, if they had no free will during this life to choose right over wrong.


#19

Unless you think you can speak for God, I would rather not proclaim what He does.

Unless you think you do? Questioning God is way above me!


#20

Rm 8: 28 We know that in everything God works for good[d]

That’s how God thinks. That is how God works… FOR GOOD

with those who love him,[e]

That’s a conditional statement

who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Note: He didn’t predestine before He foreknew. He foreknew THEN He predestined. In this case, our free will is instrumental


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