Was just told this, very confused

Did you know, it actually states in the Catechism, that to watch anything on TV/ music/ movies/ books, of a scene that is only appropriate within marriage, the catechism states that to view such contents is pornographic.

so any show/movie that mentions sex or depicts it is grave matter?

I would like you to cite the exact paragraph that says this please.
Then I will answer. I want to know what your looking at as a reference first.

Are you referring to this citation, angel?

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

From the CCC:

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

Pornography portrayed on film involves showing sex acts–not just kissing and hugging, etc., but sex acts. It is overstating the CCC to put it as you did, angell1. We must be careful to state things from the CCC as the CCC states it, so we don’t restate it wrongly. :wink:

I guess it’s that one that she was referring to

it was on another thread that I posted about shows that portrayed certain characters commiting sins

well, there are many shows/movies that hint at or partially talk about sex.

Talking about sex is not pornography.
Why would you even think it is??

this person is also saying that bishops say that if you watch anything that glorifies sexual sin, then you are committing mortal sin.

not that I go looking for this stuff but there are some stories that are mostly good but the characters are engaged in some immoral activity.

usually I just ignored it because it isn’t too much part of the plot but now I am second guessing

The OP is talking about movies that contain sexual scenes,

The Catholic Bishops in the US in a gathered meeting on use of media by catholics, ruled that.any movie.that glorifies sexual sin, is a mortal sin for catholics to view deliberately, freely, in full knowledge.

Angel, what this person told you is not true.

Actually it is true.

The catechism clearly stated in that quote that sexual scenes are pornographic and cannot be viewed deliberately, freely, with full knowledge and not be a mortal sin.

The OP is saying that most modern TV today portrays sexual scenes. (not “talk” about it, but actually portraying sexual scenes), which the catechism clearly states that anything that portrays what belongs only in the Conjugal marriage bed, is pornographic

Catechism Quote on avoiding Erotic scenes in the media: “Purity of heart brings freedom from widespread eroticism and avoids entertainment inclined to voyeurism and illusion” (CCC 2525).

Saint Pope John Paul II quote on this topic of how sexual scenes in the media are pornographic in the eyes of the Catholic Church:
“What truth can there be in films, shows, and radio and television programs dominated by pornography and violence?” (Letter to Families, 20).

I’d be interested to see the citation for this, please?

tee

“only appropriate in marriage” I think your answer lies in those four words. Prurient displays of graphic sexual activities that are proper only to marriage are considered grave matter and should be avoided. But shows that mention sex, allude to it, show romantic scenes that may well lead to sex but do not show it graphically, I don’t think those could be considered grave matter in and of themselves. Mortal sin of course depends on full and free understanding and consent of one’s will. So in the end, you have to be the judge.

It is a good question to ask a priest or two, maybe in confession, maybe on a retreat or some such activity. It is a question that I’m sure the majority of priests who have been ordained for a while have dealt with before. Don’t feel like the Lone Ranger

Shalom

angel…you don’t really watch any of those shows, do you?

well, I don’t know what kinds of shows qualify necessarily.

I watch more sci-fi, fantasy, murder mystery, or supernatural kinds of stuff

while most of the storylines are ok, there are instances of character with immoral stuff going on in their lives. but they are usually not major points of focus and sometimes there are negative consequences for these actions, other times not

I thought that if it wasn’t really part of the main plot, and if I knew it was wrong and wasn’t tempted, then it wasn’t a huge deal. at least that was the predominant opinion on other threads of the subject

but of course I could be wrong.

In the immortal words of the late great George Michael.
“What’s your definition of dirty baby, what do you consider pornography…”

Ironically that music video probably counts.

In most movies the sex scene is very short and not very graphic (well sometimes). These scenes could easily be deleted and still leave the assumption of happenings and the movie would not be affected. Certain movies however would be just about void of anything and these would be pornographic.

Ignore the poster who states, “sure to be a mortal sin it must be deliberate, freely committed and in full knowledge, sure the chances of someone being guilty of all three is very slim?”
(that is liberal catholicism, if someone deliberately, freely and in full knowledge commits grave matter, it is a mortal sin and in such a scenario there are no loopholes where someone can sin all they want.

The Catechism is also sourced on the writings of the saints,
I challenge any Catholic forums member to find even one quote from a canonised Saint that states they believed/ recommended people to read / listen to / watch sexual scenes as entertainment,

(and as the OP said, this particular thread is not about sexual content being discussed on TV, this thread is about sexual content being simulated on TV)

The devil can quote scripture as his own, as shown in the temptation of Jesus in the desert.

The Catechism clearly says the showing actual sexual acts, or SIMULATED sexual scenes, is pornographic.

The modern media that pushes for abortion, euthanasia, promotion of homosexuality, that modern media states that pornography is defined as portraying real sexual acts.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states something is pornography is anything that even portrays simulated sexual scenes.

Quote:
"Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display deliberately to third parties (CCC 2354).

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