Weeping Madonna remains a mystery...Protestant view please!!!


#1

cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2005/01/24/908181-ap.html

What is the protestant view on this?


#2

probably the same as many Catholics: whatever


#3

I’m a Protestant, but I certainly don’t presume to speak for all Protestants in the world, or even on this board. What do you mean, what is our view? What do I think of it? I think it’s fine. It’s interesting. It’s mysterious. What else is there to say?


#4

Greetings

The danger I see in the events is that tons of people will rush to see the Madonna and some will pray to it. Idol Worship?

BIC


#5

[quote=BIC]Greetings

The danger I see in the events is that tons of people will rush to see the Madonna and some will pray to it. Idol Worship?

BIC
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Sorry to smash your presumption,but anytime there is a miracle such as that that is proven not to be a deception we give God the Glory:) True miracles are from God,for a specific purpose.God Bless


#6

Interesting. But I’m curious as to how it is a miracle that a statue cries and what lesson or meaning is behind it.


#7

[quote=wabrams]Interesting. But I’m curious as to how it is a miracle that a statue cries and what lesson or meaning is behind it.
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Especially crying blood:eek:


#8

[quote=BIC]Greetings

The danger I see in the events is that tons of people will rush to see the Madonna and some will pray to it. Idol Worship?

BIC
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No, not idol worship. No we don’t pray to statues. I see that you have only been around for less than a month, so I will assume that you didn’t know this. A search of this data base, and also the CA site will give you sources to marian doctrine. Also you could start a thread asking any questions that you might have.

I hope you will stay around to learn about what our Church really teaches, believes, and practices. We are always willing to discuss our beliefs.


#9

[quote=BIC]Greetings

The danger I see in the events is that tons of people will rush to see the Madonna and some will pray to it. Idol Worship?

BIC
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No, not idol worship. No, we don’t worship statues. I see that you have only been around for less than a month, so I will assume that you didn’t know that. A search of this forum, and the CA sit will give you some resaurces on marian doctrine. Also, you could start a thread asking any questions that you might have.

I hope you stay around long enough to learn about what we really believe, and practice. Feel free to ask questions, we are always willing to answer.:slight_smile:


#10

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]Especially crying blood:eek:
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You wanna complete that thought?


#11

CATHOLIC TOM,

Which crying Maddona do you mean, the one in Japan or that one North of San Antonio,TX? I have seen close up pictures of both of them.


#12

[quote=Exporter]CATHOLIC TOM,

Which crying Maddona do you mean, the one in Japan or that one North of San Antonio,TX? I have seen close up pictures of both of them.
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If you click the link, you will see it’s the one in Italy. I think it’s important and significant that the statue used is that of MARY…and she is crying, probably because of the many “christians” who reject her teachings, possibly because of the many who bash her, but also possibly because the message she has given the world before have not been heeded, hence the tears of blood.


#13

[quote=BIC]Greetings

The danger I see in the events is that tons of people will rush to see the Madonna and some will pray to it. Idol Worship?

BIC
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When I place my Bible on my bed at night and kneel before it and say my prayers, am I worshiping my Bible or am I worshiping my bed? Or neither? How would an observer know?

JMJ Jay


#14

[quote=Exporter]CATHOLIC TOM,

Which crying Maddona do you mean, the one in Japan or that one North of San Antonio,TX? I have seen close up pictures of both of them.
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Hi, Exporter. I’ve read that the statue of the Blessed Virgin in Akita, Japan, which has wept real tears, has been investigated and authenticated. According to this news story (link provided by Catholic Tom), so has the statue of the Blessed Virgin in Italy, which has wept blood. There have been others that have been authenticated as well.

However, the weeping icon in Blanco, TX, north of San Antonio, is questionable, in my opinion. The founder of the Russian Orthodox monastery, where this weeping icon was displayed, has been adjudicated guilty of pedophilia, along with another ROC monk. Since this scandal, I don’t know what happened to the icon, and no one else seems to know either. I went to Texas specifically to see this icon but I now doubt its authenticity.

pokrov.org/Abusers/pgreene.html

These things can be faked. I saw a TV program on how it can be done.

I believe the weeping Madonnas investigated and authenticated by Catholic officials are genuine. I know how scrupulous the Church is about such matters.

A statue of Mary as Rosa Mystica was alleged to have shed tears at St John of God parish in Chicago, IL from May, 1984 until, at least, 1992. The phenomenon started after some of the parishoners (including the pastor) visited the original shrine at Montichiari. However, the archdiocesan investigation could not rule out natural causes and decided there was “no evidence of a miracle” in 1987. Stephen Roszell released a film documentary on this phenomenon in 1992. udayton.edu/mary/questions/yq/yq34.html

JMJ Jay


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That was an excellent post Katholokos. Thank you. That ROC is actually a monestary. It is a few miles West of Blanco which is about 45 miles North of San Antonio. For several weeks pictures were in the news paper. It just died out. Since it was Russian Orthodox I wouldn’t think our Roman Catholic Bishops would have investegated.
:yup: :tiphat:


#16

[quote=Exporter]Katholikos http://forums.catholic.com/images/statusicon_cad/user_offline.gif vbmenu_register(“postmenu_422183”, true);
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That was an excellent post Katholokos. Thank you. That ROC is actually a monestary. It is a few miles West of Blanco which is about 45 miles North of San Antonio. For several weeks pictures were in the news paper. It just died out. Since it was Russian Orthodox I wouldn’t think our Roman Catholic Bishops would have investegated.
:yup: :tiphat:
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Sorry my post wasn’t clear. No, the Catholic bishops didn’t look into the weeping icon in Blanco, TX. I just saw it myself (actually went on a pilgrimmage to see it because a friend had told me about it). It seemed authentic, I wanted to believe it, so I did. Then, when the scandal broke, I reconsidered. I now think it was a fraud, and with good reason, since the monastery’s founder was convicted. The icon brought many visitors and lots of money to that monastery. The founder was himself a fraud, masquerading as a monk of the ROC when he was actually a pedophile.

I meant that other weeping icons or statues that have been investigated and authenticated by the Catholic Church are, I believe, trustworthy. They have been thoroughly investigated, tested, and analyzed for evidence of fraud. The weeping statues in Italy and Akita, Japan, are among these.

One of the newspaper stories at that link I provided had a story about other fraudulent Orthodox weeping icons, but I read only the headlines. I couldn’t pull up the article itself from the link.

Hope I’ve cleared up any misstatements. Thanks for your kind comments.

JMJ Jay


#17

I think it might be important to point out to non-catholics that we are not required to believe in such private revelations catholics are required to believe in general revelation only. Many things like the weeping Madonna don’t even get the worthy of belief ruling that the Vatican gives its main Marian appariatians such as Guadelupe, Lourdes and Fatima. Even there you are free to rejects any of these apparitions if you wish. These things are optional and not required beliefs. Do they have vaule and merit some do and some may not. Heck some are fake we have to be careful on how we approach such things. The church is reserved in judging such things and so should we that doesn’t mean its false just thread carefully and realize our faith is based on bigger things than a weeping statue.

As a general rule it takes a while to judge the validity of such things one way is to judge it by its fruit. According to that rule of thumb the apparitions of Guadelup and Lourdes trump all others and most likely to be authentic.


#18

[quote=Maccabees]I think it might be important to point out to non-catholics that we are not required to believe in such private revelations catholics are required to believe in general revelation only. Many things like the weeping Madonna don’t even get the worthy of belief ruling that the Vatican gives its main Marian appariatians such as Guadelupe, Lourdes and Fatima. Even there you are free to rejects any of these apparitions if you wish. These things are optional and not required beliefs. Do they have vaule and merit some do and some may not. Heck some are fake we have to be careful on how we approach such things. The church is reserved in judging such things and so should we that doesn’t mean its false just thread carefully and realize our faith is based on bigger things than a weeping statue.

As a general rule it takes a while to judge the validity of such things one way is to judge it by its fruit. According to that rule of thumb the apparitions of Guadelup and Lourdes trump all others and most likely to be authentic.
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Thank you for that post. It really helps me to put tese things into perspective.


#19

I saw a video on this very thing and there are several different statues that supposedly do this one way or another in widely divergent places around the world. None have been approved by the Church that I know of, so that is the pime factor in my mind. The messages that have come out of these churches is a call to repentance and a turning to Christ, so to my knowlege the messages are okay.

The idea that Catholics would worship staues or anything or anyone but almighty God is ludicrously stupid. No Catholic that knows his ear from his elbow would do such a thing, though many non-Catholics would just LOVE it if we did. :rolleyes:


#20

[quote=wabrams]Interesting. But I’m curious as to how it is a miracle that a statue cries and what lesson or meaning is behind it.
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if they were to analyze the tears and find that the substance can only be produced by babies in the womb for example there would be a great message.


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