Can anyone in Apologetics sort out this issue please, which has arisen in the Spirituality Forum. The thread can be found on:
I think the key issues needing to be addressed are:
*]If a prayer to a saint or saints/angel(s) is worded presenting theological error(s), should that wording be corrected to present the correct theological position? I think it should be amended especially so as not to convey to non Catholics especially a wrong theological impression of Church teaching re praying to the saints. I certainly do not think that theologically correct prayers need be worded in a cold strict theological manner (this may have well been the concern of the Opening Poster). Prayers can still be warm and loving and remain theologically correct. The prayer I quoted by Methodius to Our Lady in my Post into the Spirituality thread on the 24th. February is a truly beautiful prayer to Our Lady and quite theologically correct……….nothing ‘cold’ about it.[/LIST][LIST]
*]If a prayer is theologically incorrect it is simply an incorrect theologically worded prayer that needs some amendment to my own way of thinking, as per 1. above. I am not saying it is a less powerful prayer because it is theologically incorrect. “Man judges by appearances but God knows the heart”.[/LIST][LIST]
*]My own concept is that all good has its origin and source in God who also brings it into effect through ‘answered prayer’ perhaps or however God may choose to bring it into effect – i.e. perhaps through the prayers of a saint or saints at the request of some living person. Hence, yes of course, the saints do act on our behalf and I never meant to put this in question.[/LIST][LIST]
*]Hence firstly and primarily, all thanksgiving and praise is due to God and then to the saints as perhaps the agent or channel of God’s Blessings. By “act independently” my meaning is act independent of God’s Goodness and Will – and this quotation I found puts my own thoughts well:[/LIST]
[FONT=Times New Roman]http://ascensioncatholic.net/TOPICS/beliefs/saints/Sainthood.htm
Wording of Prayers, A Potential Problem. *…………………When a non-Catholic reads some of these prayers he/she **
[quote]may have a problem with them because they often imply that the saint (or Mary the Mother of Jesus) is the one who is the source of spiritual blessings and has the power to release or withhold them
***. Despite the sometimes poor choice of words the intent is never to imply that anyone other than **
God is the source of all spiritual blessing and that anyone other than Jesus is our sole mediator before God
5 Personally, God being able to do all things, I think that God thus is free to appoint some particular role, stewardship or duty, to some saint in Heaven as he has appointed stewardship to guardian angels for those they guide, guard and protect here on earth.
Personally, I do think of my own patron saint as having a special duty from God to pray for me and watch over me along with my Guardian Angel, as well as being a role model for me.
Comments and links appreciated. And I think I have presented the issues, they have become clouded to me as the thread (link given above) unfolded. And this may well be my own poverty. But I think we may be going round in circles in the thread in Spirituality saying the same things differently……….sharing the same thought – and indeed Catholic thought and teaching - but expressing it in different ways. I am hoping a thread into this Apologetics Forum will settle the issues whatever intrinsically they are and state with clarity what Church teaching is………I am hoping I have summarized the issues fairly above and without confusing them.
Blessings this Lent – Barb:)