What Catholics Believe per the Baptists


#1

I made the grave mistake of wandering onto a Baptist Forum looking for an answer to a thread I posted here, earlier. Needless to say, my registration will have to be approved by the forum powers that be. In the meantime, I’ve been reading some comments. I’d like to get your reaction to some comments I read on the “other side”.

*Re: Roman Catholicism, cult or not?
It may not deny the deity of Jesus Christ. However:
There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
To be saved one must be baptized into the Catholic Church.
All doctrine originates from one source (not the Bible), but the magesterium.
All doctrine must have only one interpretation (that of the magesterium).
The Bible is not the final authority, rather there is another authority to appeal to–Oral Tradition.
The gospel is another gospel–a gospel of works which Paul calls anathema.
It is not a gospel of grace through faith.
Grace is redefined.
Grace supposedly works through “sacraments” which the Bible knows nothing of.
The belief that Christ paid the full penalty for our sins is denied, in that one has to pay part of that penalty in purgatory.
The sacrifice of Christ was not sufficient, therefore he must be resacrificed again and again.
How many times must Christ be re-sacrificed until his sacrifice is sufficient enough to pay for our sins??

All the above puts the RCC in the realm of a cult. You cannot believe in the above doctrines and be a Christian at the same time. It is an impossibility.*


#2

I would call that a moderate or even mild post. Wait until you get into an online discussion and they tell YOU what YOU believe. i.e. You worship a cookie, worship Mary, place the pope above Jesus, blahblahblah.

One of my best friends is Baptist; another is a Jehovah’s Witness. We get along great because we respect each other’s beliefs. Don’t expect respect over the Internet.

If you want to venture into a forum where you will get attacked, be prepared. And I prepare myself with a couple of Karl Keating books, “Catholicism and Fundamentalism” and “What Catholics Really Believe”, Dave Armstrong’s “The Catholic Verses” and a couple others. Of course my Revised Standard Version Bible is within an arm’s reach.


#3

I have had many dealings with Baptists and others and I tell them I respect their belief’s. We have the commonality of Jesus Christ as the Savior. As a truck driver, I cannot attend Mass every week, but some of the truckstops will have a Baptist minister come in. I’ve got no problem attending a prayer service where God can be worshiped and praised. I also give those web sites a wide berth, I would never comment to one. They are steadfast in their belief’s and so am I!


#4

The Baptist forum where I got this comment from what [text deleted] Many people on this board have said that they were kicked off that board because of their dissenting Catholic opinion.

The forum administrators must approve new registrations. Needless to say, I haven’t been approved, yet. I suppose it’s par for the course.


#5

[quote=LeahInancsi]The Baptist forum where I got this comment from what [text deleted] Many people on this board have said that they were kicked off that board because of their dissenting Catholic opinion.

The forum administrators must approve new registrations. Needless to say, I haven’t been approved, yet. I suppose it’s par for the course.
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I was kicked from there a long while ago. Since then, my blood pressure has lowered, I don’t experience intense headaches, and I sleep well at night. In other words, I no longer get involved in e-arguments on their websites. For me, it simply wasn’t worth it. You can present your case to them and no matter what evidence you have to support it, they will refuse to see it. More than that, I found that they will attack Catholics and Catholicism and if you should attempt to defend the Church against their lies, you get booted. Originally, it bothered me. However, in time I decided that it was probably for the best. I would much rather discuss questions that a protestant may have with the Catholic Church in person. They USUALLY are more civil and being 6’5" 240lbs I have yet to have one attempt to “boot” me. :slight_smile:


#6

[quote=Tietjen]I was kicked from there a long while ago. Since then, my blood pressure has lowered, I don’t experience intense headaches, and I sleep well at night. In other words, I no longer get involved in e-arguments on their websites. For me, it simply wasn’t worth it. You can present your case to them and no matter what evidence you have to support it, they will refuse to see it. More than that, I found that they will attack Catholics and Catholicism and if you should attempt to defend the Church against their lies, you get booted. Originally, it bothered me. However, in time I decided that it was probably for the best. I would much rather discuss questions that a protestant may have with the Catholic Church in person. They USUALLY are more civil and being 6’5" 240lbs I have yet to have one attempt to “boot” me. :slight_smile:
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I think you’re right. It’s best not to get involved with them. I don’t think I’ll go back. I didn’t understand most of the stuff they were talking about anyway. It’s a whole different language than we speak here.


#7

[quote=LeahInancsi]I made the grave mistake of wandering onto a Baptist Forum looking for an answer to a thread I posted here, earlier. Needless to say, my registration will have to be approved by the forum powers that be. In the meantime, I’ve been reading some comments. I’d like to get your reaction to some comments I read on the “other side”.

Re: Roman Catholicism, cult or not?
It may not deny the deity of Jesus Christ. However:
There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
To be saved one must be baptized into the Catholic Church.
All doctrine originates from one source (not the Bible), but the magesterium.
All doctrine must have only one interpretation (that of the magesterium).
The Bible is not the final authority, rather there is another authority to appeal to–Oral Tradition.
The gospel is another gospel–a gospel of works which Paul calls anathema.
It is not a gospel of grace through faith.
Grace is redefined.
Grace supposedly works through “sacraments” which the Bible knows nothing of.
The belief that Christ paid the full penalty for our sins is denied, in that one has to pay part of that penalty in purgatory.
The sacrifice of Christ was not sufficient, therefore he must be resacrificed again and again.
How many times must Christ be re-sacrificed until his sacrifice is sufficient enough to pay for our sins??

All the above puts the RCC in the realm of a cult. You cannot believe in the above doctrines and be a Christian at the same time. It is an impossibility.
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Welcome to the world I like to call, “Lies they have to tell to justify the heresy of the reformation.”


#8

I received my response from [text deleted]. See below:

Hello,

*Unfortunately, your recent registration application at BaptistBoard.com *
*has been declined. There may be many reasons your requests was declined *
*including but not limited to a incomplete profile or a incompatible *
*belief system. Please keep in mind that the BaptistBoard.com is a private *
*forum and we reserve the right to reject any application for any *
*reason. If you feel that this decision is incorrect please feel free to reply *
*to this email. In your reply include your reasoning as to why we should *
*reconsider you for membership. *


#9

Wow, it’s amazing how thorough and accurate they are. They really figured us out. Okay everyone, the joke is over, it’s time to start being Baptists, the 1,201st splinter of the 29,264 protestant splinters formed after the clarification of Christianity during the Reformation.

Love them. That’s all we can do.


#10

I just registered too. We shall see. I found this laughable statement as well:
Contrary to the Satanically inspired ‘ecumenism’ that has enveloped the Protestant/evangelical Church today, i agree with the Reformers and other Christians who stood on the side of Truth and gave up their lives willingly in defense of Christ’s true Gospel -

The pope is antichrist and the RC ‘Church’ is the “Whore of Babylon” as prophecied in Revelation 17.

RC’ism is more than just a cult, it is a major tool of Satan - paganism masquerading in ‘christian’ clothing.

Let’s not mince words folks, ‘political-correctness’ is contrary to ‘Bible-correctness.’ Let’s speak the truth in love - the souls of over 1 BILLION Catholics need that Truth. May the love of Christ compel us!

Poor people Spoon fed their hatred.

12 days congrats!
jon


#11

Wow…I got the same Reply Leah. I guess no Catholics allowed.

Hello,

Unfortunately, your recent registration application at BaptistBoard.com has been declined. There may be many reasons your requests was declined including but not limited to a incomplete profile or a incompatible belief system. Please keep in mind that the BaptistBoard.com is a private forum and we reserve the right to reject any application for any reason. If you feel that this decision is incorrect please feel free to reply to this email. In your reply include your reasoning as to why we should reconsider you for membership.


#12

It’s very sad that Christians of all denominations aren’t more charitable and more respectful towards each other. We are all so busy pointing out the differences, condemning each other to Hell, and calling each other heretics that we fail to see all the similarities. :frowning:


#13

Amen Mike. Oh well. What can ya do? We can just live our life according to the teachings we follow and if we do that to the best of our abilities I know we can be more Christ like then the nay sayers.


#14

Don’t feel so bad. There is this guy on BaptistBoard with my name! I don’t think we are related, though, since most of my family is Catholic.

But on second thought, he may be, since he claims to have been saved from Roman Catholicism. Must be a distant relation, though.


#15

I went to the website to see if it gave info on what kind of Baptists they are. I’m from TN and most of my family is Baptist and there are probably two dozen different kinds - some really tiny sects - and some really disagree with the others (which is why they have so many sects, they just keep breaking off and starting a new one). But it doesn’t say.


#16

I applied again, but this time I claimed to be Baptist. I haven’t heard back, yet.

Where is that nasty little Cookie??? :hmmm:

You know, in Catholicism, their attitude is a sin. :tsktsk:


#17

[quote=LeahInancsi]I applied again, but this time I claimed to be Baptist. I haven’t heard back, yet.

Where is that nasty little Cookie??? :hmmm:

You know, in Catholicism, their attitude is a sin. :tsktsk:
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Just be ready. I feel pretty certain that they will boot you from the site if you start doing something that they consider foolish…like telling the truth. :thumbsup:


#18

[quote=LeahInancsi]I applied again, but this time I claimed to be Baptist. I haven’t heard back, yet.
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Why? Why is it so important to gain access to a website filled with liars and haters? Why is it that you’d want to lie yourself just to do so? In the end what will you gain? You may get in, but as soon as you start defending the Church, they will boot you out and the moderator will certainly inform everyone that you lied in order to gain access… IE - Catholics lie. This will only prove in their minds that they are correct about us. The whole thing isn’t worth it. If you have to lie to get in and getting in will only bring frustration, aggravation and trepidation, it’s not worth it. Just my opinion though. God bless.


#19

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