I couldn’t wade through the entire thread, but from what I did get, I only read one attack. That was from someone who lambasted Catholicism for it’s belief in papal authority. Which was actually a rather worthy criticism though misplaced. Would love to see a response to that one.
However, for much of the thread I read Tru-Devotions arguments against the Charismatic Renewal.
They most certainly were not attacks. Don’t forget the very first post was asking for peoples thoughts on the CR, and Tru-Devotion gave his thoughts. People who support the CR didn’t like Tru-Devotion’s thoughts.
Now, that said, I could see some mistakes or flaws in the construct of Tru-Devotion’s arguments. Namely the premise that if it comes from a protestant background it is wrong. Not always true, it is entirely possible to have pagan and other traditions that we Christianize, then accept.
I share Tru-Devotions skepticism. If the CR is going to prove its mettle, it’s going to have to do a lot more that make people feel good, speak in tongues, and fall to the ground.
The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are: Wisdom, understanding, councel, fortitude, knowlege, piety, and fear of the Lord.
The twelve FRUITS of the Holy Spirit are: Charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, and chastity.
Nothing about tongues and falling to the ground, this is from the Catechism by the way.
If Tru-Devotions skepticism comes from the same place as mine, he remembers a bunch of smiley, happy people that were all high on God. But they lacked good Catechism. We made felt banners, and were taught about warm fuzzies and cold pricklies. And now there’s groups like Voice of the Faithful, Catholics for a Free Choice, and Call to Action that, just like the Charismatic Renewal, say they are Catholic, but they don’t act like it.
So, if the CR wants to gain acceptance it will have to prove itself distinguishable from those other so-called Catholic movements. If you want to defuse Tru-Devotions let him hear more about what CR believes. Hop in the fox-hole with Tru-Devotions and fight the same enemies he’s fighting.
Let’s hear some wisdom, knowlege, and councel, see some fortitude, understanding, piety, and fear of the Lord coming from the CR movement. Clapping hands, speaking tongues, and falling to the ground won’t convince guys like me. Though 30 years of joy may help. Do CR’s exhibit chastity, modesty, and self-control?