[quote="ADZ, post:11, topic:287879"]
The pre trib rapture is a misunderstanding of scripture, if you look at Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Who was taken? Who was left?
Luke 17 talks about the same event in Matt24, it's the wicked that are taken. Luke 17 25-27 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
This is a cataclizmic event, nothing quiet about the flood or Christs return. In Verse 27 it finnishes with the flood came and destroyed them all,. So what happened to the taken? Destroyed, the righteous were left.
Gen 7.23 it reads.. Only Noah 'remained' alive. Another word for 'left'
At Christs second coming there are only two groups and this is a problem for people that believe in a secret rapture because they are creating a third group of people which flys in the face of Matt 24 37-39 and Luke 17 22-23 which talks of only two.
Rapture theroy teaches that when the rightous go in the secret rapture people are left alive here on earth, but this does not fit the flood story being, So in the days of the son of man.
Should be two groups, one lot die (wicked) and the rightious are left.
Read Exo 14:28 for an example in the bible of the word remained, who remained or was left? Exo 14:28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
LEFT = remained/not destroyed 1 Thess 4:15-17
TAKEN = Destroyed/wicked... Taken, Over Taken and Destroyed mean the same thing....Joshua 8:8,17,21,22 Judges 1:8 Prov 5:22 Ecc 7:26 Isa 8:14-15
In Ecc 7:26 It says who pleaseth God Escapes and sinners shall be taken.
I for sure want to be left and remain for a life time with Jesus.
so all those on raptureready and raptureintheairnow websites are waiting for something that will never happen......and if the rapture was true wouldnt it mean that Jesus would return 3 times.....and i dont read anything about his 3rd coming....