What do Catholics here think of this?


#1

*The undesputable reason why America is in shambles today is because of the Protestants, especially on the issue of divorce, if one pastor refused they would shop around, how many pastors refused to remarry someone 2,3,4 times? *
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Agree or disagree?


#2

[quote=Stingray]**The undesputable reason why America is in shambles today is because of the Protestants, especially on the issue of divorce, if one pastor refused they would shop around, how many pastors refused to remarry someone 2,3,4 times?

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I think that abortion and general moral decay much like Rome is more responsible. The list of abominations is a long one and divorce is certainly on it along with poverty, ignorance, crime, pornography, poor education, intolerance, etc etc

-D


#3

I agree with this, although I prefer to blame it all on pride, which is the only thing that keeps protestantism alive.

If a protestants would do a little study on Church history [the one started by Christ], and realize that they are going about things the wrong way, through no fault of their own really since they have been misled for the last 490 years.

Dissent just keeps getting worse, and when someone doesn’t agree, wham they start their own church. This is the direct result of the false documents sola fida and sola scriptura which breed evil things like self-interpretation.

Well it is only logical that if everyone is different, then everyone’s interpretation will be different…that is why Christ put His Church in place, to have one interpretation…

Peace of the Lord be with you all!


#4

[quote=TheGarg]I agree with this, although I prefer to blame it all on pride, which is the only thing that keeps protestantism alive.

If a protestants would do a little study on Church history [the one started by Christ], and realize that they are going about things the wrong way, through no fault of their own really since they have been misled for the last 490 years.

Dissent just keeps getting worse, and when someone doesn’t agree, wham they start their own church. This is the direct result of the false documents sola fida and sola scriptura which breed evil things like self-interpretation.

Well it is only logical that if everyone is different, then everyone’s interpretation will be different…that is why Christ put His Church in place, to have one interpretation…

Peace of the Lord be with you all!
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Great points,

Not to get off topic, but what do protestants say about the fact that there are 20.000 protestant churches? Do they figure that Jesus says that variety is the spice of life? I dont see any protestants defending this fact. I recall as a protestant not having an answer to this question.

-D


#5

Until 1933 all Protestants were against birth control as well, I think pride and making excuses to do what you want and rationalising yourself out of responsibility has been the root of this decay.It seems we can remember he without sin cast the first stone,but we forget go and sin no more.God Bless


#6

[quote=Darrel]I think that abortion and general moral decay much like Rome is more responsible.

-D
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darrel, is this a misprint or are you bashing rome? just need claification…your post following mine indicates that you are catholic, so i don’t think im supposed to take it as your bashing Rome or else you just didn’t type it the right way?? just curious

dan


#7

I blame modernism and naturalism. Unfortunately, Protestant churches bought into it in the 1930s when they began accepting birth control. Contraception led to the “sexual revolution” and here we are today.


#8

While I agree that contraception may well have led to the “sexual revolution” the use of contraception today is necessary for safety. Chastity is largely a thing of the past and whether contraception is to blame is no longer the issue. The decay of morality appears to continue on this downward spiral - society loves sex. Its that simple. So the only way to help prevent further degrading is to encourage contraception rather than the spread of sexual disease and the daily rise of abortion.

Until people learn that sexual promiscuity is wrong (and I don’t see that happening!) contraception is necessary to protect. Also those who live in Third World conditions are exposed regardless of their moralities.


#9

[quote=teresas1979]While I agree that contraception may well have led to the “sexual revolution” the use of contraception today is necessary for safety. Chastity is largely a thing of the past and whether contraception is to blame is no longer the issue. The decay of morality appears to continue on this downward spiral - society loves sex. Its that simple. So the only way to help prevent further degrading is to encourage contraception rather than the spread of sexual disease and the daily rise of abortion.

Until people learn that sexual promiscuity is wrong (and I don’t see that happening!) contraception is necessary to protect. Also those who live in Third World conditions are exposed regardless of their moralities.
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Just because obeying God and Jesus is a thing of the past, doesn’t mean further disobedience is ok. Wes should teach them promiscuity is wrong instead of giving them the means to be promiscuous.


#10

Unfortunately, it ain’t just the protestants. I know plenty of “Catholics” who will shop around for a liberal parish just as most of us look for orthodox ones.


#11

[quote=geezerbob]Unfortunately, it ain’t just the protestants. I know plenty of “Catholics” who will shop around for a liberal parish just as most of us look for orthodox ones.
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Exactly. Pretty much everyone across the board has bought into this garbage. It really is a testament to the Holy Spirit that the Church has stood firm, even if her members have not.


#12

[quote=Darrel]I think that abortion and general moral decay much like Rome is more responsible. The list of abominations is a long one and divorce is certainly on it along with poverty, ignorance, crime, pornography, poor education, intolerance, etc etc

-D
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the devaluation of marriage came about as a result of the protestant acceptance of artifical contraception in the early 1900s.


#13

darrel, is this a misprint or are you bashing rome? just need claification…your post following mine indicates that you are catholic, so i don’t think im supposed to take it as your bashing Rome or else you just didn’t type it the right way?? just curious

Garg, I think Darrel is referring, not to “Rome” as in Roman Catholic Church, but to the fall of Rome in the 5th century–you know, Attila the Hun, the beginning of the Dark Ages, etc. Cf. Gibbons’ “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”. . .


#14

[quote=Tantum ergo]Garg, I think Darrel is referring, not to “Rome” as in Roman Catholic Church, but to the fall of Rome in the 5th century–you know, Attila the Hun, the beginning of the Dark Ages, etc. Cf. Gibbons’ “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”. . .
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I got the same thing out of Darrel’s post. My thought was Ancient Rome, not Rome of today. We know that it fell because of a complete moral decay.
Plus if Darrel was referring to Roman Catholic Church, he probably would say “Vatican”.


#15

[quote=TheGarg]darrel, is this a misprint or are you bashing rome? just need claification…your post following mine indicates that you are catholic, so i don’t think im supposed to take it as your bashing Rome or else you just didn’t type it the right way?? just curious

dan
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Sorry,

I was compairing our societies moral decay to that of the Roman Empire. I should have been more specific.

-D


#16

[quote=Scott_Lafrance]the devaluation of marriage came about as a result of the protestant acceptance of artifical contraception in the early 1900s.
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I see,

I totally agree that this was a negative turning point in the moral structure of the country. But is it “the” turning point? I think at some point people began teaching that morality is a matter of opinion verses the old fashioned this is right and this is wrong. In 1920 people generally shared the same moral values and there was prayer in school etc etc. Then people in say colleges began to teach that what is right for one person is not right for another.

This sort of tolerance for immorality spread to our media and leaders and schools. I may be off base but I think this general philosophy in free society may be the big problem. It’s not a matter of what is right for the individual it’s a matter of what’s right period. When people think about a person getting an abortion they may think it is wrong but they say “hey that’s what’s right for her and it’s her right”. The old attitude would say “this is totally wrong period”. The same holds true for homosexuality and open marriages. This in my opinion is the seed of moral decay; the protestant church accepting contraception is just a portion of it.

-D


#17

I think the basic problem is the refusal to learn from history. The same situation happened to Rome at the time of the New Testament, the warnings were given; Read the last book of the Bible. We must learn from history, follow Christ in His Church, be lights to the world, and proclaim His Word in good times and in bad. This is not easy, and he says that it will not be easy. But, with his Power, we can do it. So let’s get to it, and stop trying to figure out reasons for the problem.


#18

[quote=Darrel]Sorry,

I was compairing our societies moral decay to that of the Roman Empire. I should have been more specific. I’m not a confirmed Catholic yet but I will be.

-D
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#19

I’m more interested in the statement that the reason why America is in shambles is because of the protestants. No one has really commented on that. So, should I assume you all agree? Are protestants really to blame for the moral problems of America?


#20

From Liberalism is a Sin

This book shows that Liberalism—at least here in America—is all-pervasive and is almost, as it were, universally victorious over the thinking of our people. Yet as a religious—philosophical tenet it is false! And woefully so! For, as the author points out, it leads to an eventual denial of any truth whatsoever by some of its adherents. For people hear first one religious “truth” asserted and then another that contradicts it, and soon they are so confused that they do not know what to believe. And often they end up believing nothing—or holding that nothing is certain, even in matters relating to the Natural Law, which all people know through the use of their reason alone.

Regarding its source, Liberalism, as the author shows very clearly, is a direct result of Protestantism, with its tenet of private interpretation of the Bible. For if a person has a right to decide for himself what the Bible means, this says in effect that he has a right to choose whether he will believe or not believe certain revealed teachings. Then in effect, he also has a right to believe nothing at all. Whereas the correct view is that when the mind of man sees the divinely revealed truth, he has NO CHOICE, morally speaking, to reject it. Its obvious truth requires that he must accept it as true.


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