[quote=Genesis315]Ok, this is more of a rant than anything else:
So, I was discussing the Mass with a Protestant, especially the prophecy in Malachi 1:10-11. When I quoted some ECFs speaking of the Mass, especially Ignatious of Antioch, the Didiche (which quotes Malachi), Justin Martyr (who also quotes Malachi), and Clement, this person responded by saying that’s where the great heresies originated.
“that’s where the great heresies originated” - what is where they did ?
Quoting the ECFs ?
Or something else ?
Purely as a matter of fact, the ideas of the Fathers have given rise to all sorts of errors - as has the Bible; but that is not a reason for rejecting them, for there is nothing good which cannot become a snare. ##
How does one respond to this? Is there even a way? Or is this a dust off the sandals situation?
It’s your discussion, so you must do the research He (or she) is your Protestant; and the conversation was between you; we weren’t there, so only you two know what was said - we don’t; so it’s rather difficult to give much help, as we know only part of one side of the discussion
Sidenote: Funny thing was, this person quoted Wesley and other recent Protestant scholars to support his position against the Mass:rolleyes:
AND then said “I’ll take God’s word over the words of men:rolleyes:”
Nothing wrong with that - sources outside the Bible don’t replace it; they shed light on it, or can. There is nothing inconsistent in conceding supreme authority (under God) to the Bible as being “God’s Word written”, and then using commentators and other such writers to explain what is in it.
Just as the healing power of a bottle of medicine is not replaced by the piece of paper which explains how it should be taken in order for the person taking it to benefit from it. Reading the instructions that come with cough medicine doesn’t cure a cough - the medicine does, because it is made in order to do exactly that. As it may have side effects such as drowsiness, the patient should read the instructions.
So with the Bible - the ideas of authors outside it can’t replace it, but they can shed light on what the words God uses to “speak” the message of the Bible to us mean - which helps us to hear the “Word of God written”, and to take from it the message the Spirit Who inspired it, wills for each one of us; they are subservient to the Bible, which is itself subservient to God. Those helps open up the Bible’s meaning - they don’t become the Bible, any more the instructions with the cough medicine become the medicine. Using these helps can help us to avoid many errors. ##