What does freedom mean to a Muslim


#1

In another thread Hamba2han stated:

'Muslims value freedom just like everyone else…only that we choose to enjoy these freedoms, God willing, in the Hereafter and not in this world which is, after all a temporary abode."

My question is, what are these freedoms and what is meant by the above statement.

Vickie


#2

When the Jew and Christian are wiped out and the whole world is fallen into the dark side. What is left is the one religion with one book to rule it all.


#3

you are free as long as you dont hurt anything including yourself :thumbsup:


#4

Do you think that Muslims have no desire at all to do the things that non-Muslims (and some Muslims as well) do like partying all night long and various other things that they seem to do with such obvious enjoyment?

Acts of worship like praying 5 times a day, fasting all-day long for a whole month, compulsory charity and going on pilgrimage to Makkah are major impediments to the freedom of Muslims to be able to do whatever we wish to do and whenever we want to so long as it is legal.

This is generally what is meant when the Prophet (pbuh) said: “This world is a prison for the believer and a paradise for the unbeliever.”

Being Muslims however, we choose to submit our desires and our “freedom” in this world to the will of Allah and therefore we do what He has commanded us to do and refrain from doing whatever He has forbidden for us.


#5

hamba2han

We, as Christians, are free to do His will or not. The operative phrase is “to do His will.” His will is not to do aggressive harm to our neighbors. Muslims are at war with their neighbors throughout the world…not just in the middle east. Hatred for Jews or anyone who sides with them seems to be included in the freedoms that Muslim enjoy…not only hatred…but the Koran orders the murder of Jews…you know…the one hiding behind the tree. The subject of Jews aside…what do you think the little Christian scholl girls in Indonesia did to merit being kidnapped and beheaded by Muslim militants? This is a serious question and if it is answered it will be with the tu quoque argument made famous by Muslim apologists.


#6

Do you use the word anything instead of anyone for a reason? Is not blowing up your neighbor’s mosque because he doesn’t read the Koran the same as you hurting something?


#7

Allah?

Exodus 3:14-15 God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

Isn’t He the God of Mohammad?

Dear Muslims, please remember God says His name to all generations is 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob

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But aren’t Issac and Jacob Jews/non-believers. Why would God use non-believers in His Holy Name?


#8

Hi
The Ahmadia Concept of Freedom is well explained in this short essay which could be accessed at :
alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_4_section_2.html
"Isalm/Quran grants every human the fundamental right to believe in whatever he may and to claim that his beliefs are true. Yet it does not, in any way, permit him to impose his personal convictions on others, nor does it grant him any right to punish others for the crime of their wrong beliefs (as he judges them). Man is only answerable to God, and it is He alone Who knows the hidden intricacies of the human mind and heart. Again it is not the failure to recognize truth which is punishable. What is punishable is the falsehood of the person who rejects truth knowing deep within that he is wrong. Evidently the detection of this hidden crime lies beyond the reach of human investigation. The decisive factor is always the criminal failure and not the failure itself. The only reliable vantage point is that of God the All-Knowing, the Omnipresent, the Unchanging, the All-Wise. That indeed is the most important factor of which the Holy Quran reminds the reader so emphatically and repeatedly. In the area of religious beliefs and modes of worship, man is specifically warned not to combine in himself the role of a judge and that of an executioner. Even the Holy Founder of Islamsa is reminded:

… you are merely an admonisher,
You are not a magistrate over them. 88:22-23
It is forbidden even to abuse the imaginary gods of idolaters which are a mere concoction of their fancy:

Do not abuse those whom they worship besides Allah, lest in retaliation they are driven to abuse Allah (the only true God). So have We made the practice of everyone to appear to be attractive in their view. Then their return will be to their Lord who will then inform them of what they had been really doing. 6:109
This, however, does not obviate the vital need for recognizing and acquiring truth before one breathes one’s last. To possess the right to believe in whatever one may is one thing, but to escape the consequences of one’s belief is quite another. The fundamental right and freedom to hold any belief is not a license to violate the sanctity of truth. It is provided only to protect the freedom of human conscience to act as it may deem fit. Had this freedom in matters of faith not been granted, anyone could have felt at liberty to forcibly change an other’s views and beliefs in the name of truth. His perverted logic would convince him that as no one is entitled to hold false beliefs, everyone with right beliefs is authorized to forcibly change them in accordance with his own. Again this freedom of belief does not, in any way, override the principle of accountability. The right of freedom can be correctly understood only when it is coupled with this principle. If a group of mountaineers are told to follow whatever trail they may choose in whatever direction they please, but are also warned that some trails could lead them to the precipice of annihilation, they would certainly watch their steps with every caution at their command. Yet such daredevils as are blind to their own interest may altogether ignore the warning and exercise their right of freedom to their own ultimate destruction. This is the meaning of freedom of faith and freedom of choice in the Quranic terms:

There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. 2:257
All the same, the categoric prohibition to change another person’s faith by force does not deprive anyone of his right to change others through persuasive arguments and dialogues, so long as it is free from even a whisper of threat. Let alone permission, it is the bounden duty of every believer to invite mankind to the path of God with wisdom and goodly persuasion:

Invite to the path of thy Lord with wisdom and comely admonishment and dispute with them in the best of manners…16:126" Unquote
Thanks


#9

can you prove that islam order us to do so? if a muslim did something bad who should we judge islam or that muslim?:wink:


#10

why dont you say the reverse ? usa invaded iraq ,muslims are killed in shechania ,jews took land of muslims “palestine” when we do something to reback our land and resist occupation you call us terrorists open your eye


#11

Genesis 17:19
19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.

Didnt God promise the land of Israel to the Jews after all?


#12

you do like jews ,didnt understand christ
this convenant depend on being good or not and its not for all time till last day look
2 Kings 5:27 Naaman’s leprosy will cling to you and to your descendants forever." Then Gehazi went from Elisha’s presence and he was leprous, as white as snow.
see if so then we should see all lepers from that man and we see a big nation all of them have leperosy:)
Daniel 6 : 21 Daniel answered, "O king, live forever! (does that mean live forever?and he dont die ? no it just mean for a long time :slight_smile: }


#13

Is it really Muslim land when Muslims invaded a long time ago to take it away from the Christians and Jews?


#14

The Qu’ran orders Muslims to fight non-Muslims until islam controls the earth.


#15

What do you believe is the right punishment for those people who leave Islam?

Do you believe that there should be restrictions on religions (like Christianity and Judeism) for those poeple who live under Islamic rule?


#16

prove


#17

prove


#18

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #193)


#19

#20

see the post below


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