For those of you who love the Tridentine liturgy, what was the biggest factor that drew you in? I’ll put some possible choices in a poll, okay?
The Church brought me to it.
How about a choice for “all of the above”?
I love history, and I wanted to experience the Mass as my ancestors did.
Also, I have kids now. Example is so important. It isn’t fair that I have to explain to them they can’t go up to hold hands around the alter with the other children and that the priest is wrong in doing so and also to obey authority. One won’t find that stuff going on at a TLM, by golly.
This is such an easy question to answer!
The reverence, the sacred nature of the ancient Mass, the beauty of the liturgy, the dignity the ceremony itself with its beautiful rubrics, the dignified Latin language, and the profound expression of theological truth as expressed in the TLM are all factors that drew me to this Mass.
Also the fact that every gesture, prayer and item used in the Mass has sacred significance, and shows that we care to give the Lord only the most beautiful things that we have are reasons to love the TLM.
In a nutshell, it is the solemnity and reverence. At the Traditional Mass, it feels as though we are all in awe before God along with the priest. It’s as though Our Lord is sitting on his throne and we are all focused on him. It is the way we would really act if he were here in human form - on our knees in silent prayer with a heavenly choir sounding around us, unseen. That is the feeling I get at the Latin Mass. To me, it is a most profound feeling. We must drive 60 miles to get there, but nothing compares. Nothing.
For me it was the first four (smells and bells being just a peripheral part of the solemnity of the Mass as a whole), so it would really be:
*]The solemnity of the Mass
*]The bells and smells
*]The devout attitude of fellow parishoners
*]Traditional teachings upheld
[/LIST]Vivo Christo Rey!
It’s the Latin!!
While the 1962 Missal was normative when I was very young, my happiest Mass memories involved the 1965 Missal, which isn’t the TLM. I loved the cadence and the responses. I was drawn to the TLM to relive some of that and stayed for “all of the above”.
When I was in fifth grade I recall Sister Marie Raymond telling us about all the “beautiful changes” made by “Vatican II”. “Before Vatican II the Mass was entirely in Latin, the priest celebrated Mass with his back to the people and the altar railing was there, seemingly dividing the presence of God and the people in the congregation.”
That day I was to serve Mass for our school’s attendance of Mass for “First Friday”. I never saw what “used to be” the “Altar” because all the altars I saw did not have a tabernacle on them and were not up against a wall.
When preparing the Sanctuary for Mass something caught my eye on the floor underneath what appeared to me to be the Altar. It was metal brackets, that propped up the “altar” I saw. I looked closer and found that this “altar” was constructed of 2x4’s and plywood and bolted into the marble floor. It was covered completely in a green cloth. It seemed out of place, for such a beautiful church, to even be in the building. It was ugly, completely ugly, and it made cracks in the floor, where the nails went to secure it and make it immovable.
Upon seeing this I faded backward and bumped into what the Taberbacle was on. I turned around and placed my hand on it and a voice inside me said, “This is the Altar of God.” I turned around and started becoming very upset. I saw the Altar rail and remembered what sister told us, “No more kneeling for communion at a rail”- one of those “beautiful changes”.
I could only imagine what Mass was like, back then, before what I then considered to be a great evil, “Vatican II” who put that “monstrosity” (makeshift table) before the Altar of God and no longer required the use of the communion rail.
That was then, way back in fifth grade, 1978.
Then in my adult life I came to Catholic Answers for answers on the Catholic Faith, through “This Rock” magazine that was left at my then parish at the baptismal font. I learned what Protestants believed and how what they believed contrasted the Catholic Faith.
I learned how to defend the Catholic Faith through Catholic Answers to those who tried to convert me.
I also saw, at the baptismal font, next to “This Rock” magazine, a pamphlet entitled “Communion in the hand…why?”. It was published by those who used to run the parish I now belong to.
At that time I was training altar boys and was confronted by a Protestant on the Catholic Faith. She wanted to convert me to her “Fundamentalist” faith. Catholic Answers was instrumental in helping me obtain the information I needed to defend the faith and stay Catholic.
At my former parish, when they came out with “Altar girls” I resigned from training altar boys. I was really hurt by this. I mean I watched how “altar girls” happened. I also watched years ago how “communion in the hand” happened, being told back then that it “is a liturgical expression of the fact that we are all priests.” (Protestant theology) [Even Sister Marie Raymond taught us that it was sacreligious for anyone’s hands to touch the sacred host, except for the priest- for his hands are consecrated so that he can touch the Sacred Host.]
Then, in 1999 I went to Mass at the church I was baptized in. This was “supposed to be” my parish, since it was in the town I lived in…it is just that I grew up in the former parish as a child and never stopped going to Mass there, no matter where I moved to as a young adult.
The way Mass was celebrated by Fr. Walker that day made me want to throw up. He is a “charismatic” and celebrates Mass abominably. I mean they all chant in tongues along with him and raise their right hands (like saluting Adolf Hitler) at the end of the reading of the Gospel and also at the consecration of the Host and chalice. He also broke the Host before the consecration, not to mention using a plain wine glass and no vestments save for alb and stole.
When I saw these things I refused to receive Holy Communion because I had doubts of the validity of his Mass. I mean the priest “must intend on doing what the Church does” in order for it to be valid, and breaking the Host before consecration tells me he is not intending on offering the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ to the Triune God.
I then remembered St. Joes, way back in 5’th grade, when Sister told us that Mass used to be celebrated differently than now. I searched this out and found out about the Lefebvre “schism” and the Papal Indult “Ecclesia Dei Afflicta”. I also found a location of “The Traditional Latin Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962” approved by the Diocese.
It was the same as who published that pamphlet I found at the baptismal font.
I went to my first every TLM “High Mass” in 1999. I was so moved and overcome by it all, tears were in my eyes the entire time and chills ran down my spine. I was not just overwhelmed with the power of the Holy Spirit from what I witnessed that day, I also became very upset, very upset that all of this was taken from us.
What an awesome story and this last paragraph took my breath away…
The beauty of the language used in the TLM mass is what drew me in. Even reading it in English it is plain to see how sublime the liturgy is.
To make an analogy the NO is lovely prose but the TLM is pure poetry.
I know we’re not supposed to compare Rites here, but being scorned for not holding hands (and at different parishes) was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I started relearning the TLM and today I feel most comfortable with it.
The fact that I do not care to share any worship liturgy with sects and their heretical or ambiguous beliefs…at all.
I’m Catholic, and not inter-sectual.
ie. It’s totally or exclusively catholic from start to finish.
However, if there is any Liturgy present, past or future, that more fully expresses the Mass as a Sacrifice and renewal of the unbloody Sacrifice on the Cross, then I’ll switch to it.
Am I flexible or what!
The NO Mass was introduced, I believe, in 1969 or 1970. I was 5 and 6 at the time and I have no memory of the TLM, although I can remember other things at that age and earlier.
I began going to Catholic school in second grade in the fall of 1971 in a neighboring town. Immaculate Conception Church in Ravenna, Ohio was a small but beautiful church. There was a crown suspended from the ceiling above the altar that said **SANCTUS **all the way around. They still had the TLM altar, and Latin inscriptions on the crossbeams. There were statues of St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin and a big crucifix above the altar.
In one of the Masses that was “hosted” by our class, our teacher had us recite the Sanctus in Latin.
I saw that church again in 1999. A “wreckovation” had taken place. No crown, no statues, no Latin inscriptions.
It was sad to see.
I do not dislike the NO Mass, in fact I rather like our new parish priest and our choir at our small church.
Yet, the TLM has an aura and a power about it. When I attend, I am engaging in worship as millions have Catholics have done in countless countries and countless churches for centuries. In a sense I am united with them in worship.
This is the Mass that the Spanish and Portugese missionaries celebrated while evangelizing and converting two thirds of the Western Hemisphere.
This is the Mass that Queen Isabella of Spain prayed when the Reconquest was complete and all of Spain was freed from the Muslim invaders.
This is the Mass King Jan Sobieski prayed before defeating the Muslims at the Battle of Vienna.
This is the Mass my grandparents prayed.
This was also the Mass celebrated before every session of Vatican II.
And I thought you were a supporter of ecumenism.
It’s just that it’s a new Dogma, so you HAVE to engage it at least during the Easter Season. I just don’t want to come to the attention of the Inquisition. I got enough back problems.
Of course I ecumenate with the SSPX, but only for family sake. And, they have a TLM!