Truth, of necessity, is unity. There cannot be two opposing doctrines which are both truth.
[quote=Manphibian]Sorry, vern, I think you’re wrong here. Christ says that he came to cause division between people. And that means that people will split over doctinal issues when one party is in error.
Read what you just wrote, “when one party is in error.” In writing that, you affirm the proposition that truth is unity – there cannot be two opposing doctrines which are both truth. As you said, “one party is in error.”
[quote=Manphibian]The ancient church taught what was handed down from the apostles, both in scripture and otherwise, but when the church at rome decided to make itself the earthly authority many christians took exception, thus we have orthodoxy.
That’s historically inaccurate. “Rome” had been recognized as the earthly authority for nearly a thousand years when the Great Schism occurred. The Great Schism was due to personalities as much as anything else.
[quote=Manphibian]When dogmas of Marian devotion, and similar non-biblical theology crept in, or as you’d say, became more formalized, more took exception, luther took exception tho some things, people took exception to luther, others took exception to those, etc, etc, etc.
Again, historically wrong. Marian devotion goes right back to the very early Church, and Luther did not take exception to it.
[quote=Manphibian]Does this make rome right? No, it makes them assertive, while the ancient church did fend off many heresies, that church and the roman catholic church of today are not the same thing.
You need to read the writings of the Apostolic Fathers and their successors – you’ll find they believed and taught exactly what the Catholic Church teaches today.
[quote=Manphibian]And it is very clear that many of the church fathers, there were many, many more than those oft quoted by catholic apolgists, did not all subscribe to the same dogmas,
Find one. In ancient times, there were indeed disputes. But the early Church Fathers rarely dispute what forms the core of Catholic belief.
[quote=Manphibian]it’s history, my friend, like it or not.
As we have shown, your “history” is bad history. You are in error about Marianism, about Luther, about the causes of the Great Schism, and many other matters.
Why not simply read reputable historians on the subject? If you think you have a case, give us some cites?